View Full Version : Has Windows 10 re-intrroduced Crash Tuesday ??
Those of you who ran Vista, a misnomer if ever there was one, will remember Crash Tuesdays, the day MS picked to download patches.
You'd download the patches in good faith, and then spend weeks getting your system back into some semblance of order.
Today MS updated (?) my W10 O/S and it required a re-start. Upon restarting, instead of my usual desktop, I was presented with a log-on screen for Outlook, with my email address already entered. Huh ???
The only way I could get off that screen was to enter my Outlook password and then my normal desktop appeared. Now one would assume that one would already be logged into Outlook. Not so !
Seems like another pathetic attempt by MS to take complete control of your computer. :(
I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.
ricktas
10-03-2016, 7:34am
My Win 10 machines have done this for ages now. I just login and continue on my way. No different to having a password set (which I always have had).
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 9:36am
Have you set up a user account to log in to Windows (Kev)?
It sounds like Win used your Outlook account - an MS acct - to do this,
perHAps because you said to use an acct somewhere along the line...
Hmm! Conspiracy theories! Don't you recognise this as the TYPical Linux/Ubuntu PLOY
to get you over to them:cool::nod:
arthurking83
10-03-2016, 9:36am
Ditto what Rick says.
I've been logging in via my hotmail account from about day zero.
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 9:37am
PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.
arthurking83
10-03-2016, 10:26am
PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.
:th3:
Go to user accounts and there's a very easy to find setting to switch back to local account for login somewhere near the bottom of the main user page.
Like I said, I don't mind it and have been using the online login method since day 1 .. makes no real difference in actual usage.
merlin1
10-03-2016, 10:32am
Have not had a problem with W10, all updates are automatic. I don't even know what the on line login is.
Ross.
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 11:02am
There isn't one until you make one up.
tduell
10-03-2016, 12:19pm
I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.
If you need any encouragement I'll be more than pleased to help:D.
I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and install your preferred Linux distro on that, then you can get a feel for it, as well as running the two concurrently and simply dragging and dropping files from one to the other.
One thing to think about though is that some of your favourite Windows applications may not be available in Linux, although there will be a good alternative/lookalike.
Go for it :th3:
Cheers,
Terry
I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.
Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.
The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.
Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....
"Big Brother IS watching you !! :nod: :(
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 1:17pm
I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.
Hmm! It CAN'T be the one you bought yesterday:p
Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.
See above. I got that update about 6 updates ago. Soon changed it back.
The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.
Since then [re point above] no other basic change to login.
Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....
"Big Brother IS watching you !! :nod: :(
H:eek:w can you sleep at night?:D
Stingray
10-03-2016, 1:17pm
yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 1:25pm
yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..
This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)
You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them:nod:
Stingray
10-03-2016, 1:46pm
This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)
You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them:nod:
Yeah .. when W10 1st came out I never saw it either ..
I'm obviously 'Old School' and think that a request to make changes, with an explanation of their benefits, would be at least a little respectful to the user who has PAID to use their product.
Instead, MS make a high-handed announcement that "We have made some changes", with the unstated "and if you don't like them, tough, or waste some time trying to find out how to reverse them".
And yes, this is happening on my desktop which I upgraded (?) to W10 pretty soon after it was available. I guess I still have it to look forward to on my new laptop.
PS: My overview of the W10 desktop is that it's main design brief was to make you aware of all the paid Apps that you didn't realise that you couldn't live without.
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 2:33pm
They have implicitly done that - in their T & Cs.
They have implicitly done that - in their T & Cs.
Aha, the old 'fine print' comeback.
I'll take your word for it and won't bother looking for it.
And I'm seriously impressed that you have read the T&C's Am. :wd:
John King
10-03-2016, 2:46pm
Kev, all our computers are staying at XP Pro and Win7 Pro until the end. I hope that either MS come to their senses (flaming unlikely ... ) or that someone develops a robust and standard OS that works. Vista was a real dog. Win8 was a real dog. It appears that Win10 is really quite bad for some (many?) people ... A friend accidentally "updated" his laptop to Win10, and it obligingly destroyed all access to his commercial web site data ... Fortunately he rang me, and I was able to talk him through the "downgrading" process successfully. Could have been really ugly, with about 6 months work down the tube.
WinNT used to be that robust, standardised OS, but MS kept "updating" it so that it is now firmly in Apple territory - a place where very little is compatible from one version to the next!
For just one tiny example, it used to be possible to convert web pages to PDF files very easily. It appears that the new protocols (such as HTML5, etc, etc ... ) have dispensed with that. Must have been a "security loophole" :umm: :scrtch: :lol:.
Now I have to copy the part of the page I want to my (free) Canon printer software clipboard, then convert the pages to PDF from there. Now I wonder what I have Adobe Acrobat (full version) for ... :confused013.
Even colleagues in the computer support industry who are selling later versions of MS Office agree with me that Office Pro 2003 is the last stable version of Office. It can also be supported remotely, something that is very difficult to do with Office 2007/2010/2013. To their credit, MS have reintroduced menus in Office 2013 ... Ever tried talking people through an icon driven user interface? It can be extremely difficult ... :eek:.
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 2:59pm
Ewesually do*. You find they're not that long, and much of the wording is the same. They cover a few main areas, and some more or less verbose than others.
*These days, but particularly with MS W 10. -- But don't ask me to recite any ovvit.:eek:
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For just one tiny example, it used to be possible to convert web pages to PDF files very easily. It appears that the new protocols (such as HTML5, etc, etc ... ) have dispensed with that. Must have been a "security loophole" :umm: :scrtch: :lol:.
Now I have to copy the part of the page I want to my (free) Canon printer software clipboard, then convert the pages to PDF from there. Now I wonder what I have Adobe Acrobat (full version) for ... :confused013.
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John.
Are you saying that there's no facility for converting web pages to PDF? What about...
this method? (Must admit I prefer Foxit Reader.)
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@John King
My first build was with ME, AKA 'Many Errors', and after my Amiga I thought it was OK 'cos I could get on the internet. I didn't know any better. :confused013
Changed to XP Pro and thought this was what an OS should be. Still do. :nod:
Then I went to Vista Home Premium 64bit, mainly to get access to more than 4GB of RAM. I'd call it a dog, but that would be unfair to our canine friends.
Couldn't wait to get W7 Pro 64bit after the horrors of Vista. Quite liked it, and probably should have stayed with it instead of upgrading to Bloatware Central.
With W10 the jury is still out, and possibly will be for a bloody long time, but my gut feeling is that I should have stayed with W7, at least till MS get it sorted.
John King
10-03-2016, 4:03pm
Gidday Am
We have virtual PDF printers installed on all our computers. That doesn't actually help when the web pages involved produce hieroglyphics when the file is printed on that virtual PDF printer ...
Flaming useless.
One of the great strengths of MS has always been that it has preserved some kind of compatibility of files and file structures over more than three decades. It is not sensible to ditch a commitment to that. EVEN MS Publisher, one of the worst offenders in the MS/Windows world, has the ability to write files in the Publisher98 format, which is readable, editable and writable in all versions of MS Publisher.
WinXP and Win7 do not have a MS virtual PDF printer. However, Adobe Acrobat is designed for EXACTLY this purpose, and now no longer works on some web sites ...
I suspect that it has to do with file headers and font substitution, possibly along with the use of prohibited control characters in same ... :(.
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@John King
My first build was with ME, AKA 'Many Errors', and after my Amiga I thought it was OK 'cos I could get on the internet. I didn't know any better.
Changed to XP Pro and thought this was what an OS should be. Still do. :nod:
Then I went to Vista Home Premium 64bit, mainly to get access to more than 4GB of RAM. I'd call it a dog, but that would be unfair to our canine friends.
Couldn't wait to get W7 Pro 64bit after the horrors of Vista. Quite liked it, and probably should have stayed with it instead of upgrading to Bloatware Central.
With W10 the jury is still out, and possibly will be for a bloody long time, but my gut feeling is that I should have stayed with W7, at least till MS get it sorted.
Yeah, Kev.
I started with MS before MSDOS v.2.01. Used Word and Multiplan (nearly a decade before it was renamed to Excel ... ).
A friend has Vista Enterprise installed on his PC since before I knew him. It's ugly, plain f'ugly ... XP Pro is almost infinitely better. I support that to this day.
I am in the process of upgrading both our h/w and OS from XP Pro to Win7 Pro (32 bit). I inherited a bunch of Win7 Pro PCs from a client. They are good gear (I originally provisioned them some years ago). Just need an update to SSD and 4GB RAM each. Then install CS5/6 Office and the myriad other programs on each of them. I have one operational - it flies :D.
arthurking83
10-03-2016, 8:07pm
.....
Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. ..... (
Is your user account an Admin account?
if so, that could be why.
People always complain that Windows is prone to viruses and malware and surreptitious software and so forth and suchlike, and that Mac and Linux is so much more secure .. etc, etc, blah blah.
Then M$ deals with such security issues .... that most folks create for themselves anyhow(ie. as in don't password protect Admin rights and log in as an unprotected Admin) and then all you read about is complaints about it! :confused013
Linux and Mac is no more secure than Windows as long as the correct rights have been set .. Oh! and that you don't install the malware in the first place.
Me thinks M$ detected that you don't use a password, have set your account to Admin rights and this constitutes is a security issue!
If this is correct then THEY have done the right thing by you.
If you want to enter the desktop without a login prompt then use a regular User account.
If you do in fact login under your account and it's a regular User account .. well then they probably stuffed up! :p
I just remembered too that I actually set up Win10 to login via my hotmail account, so that's why I've had my email account as my login prompt from day one.
I just can't see what the fuss is about Win10 at the moment.
Win8 yes! .. a bit of a dog on the one and only laptop I had to use once very briefly.
But Win10 is basically Win7 again .. have had no problems in reality with four machines(2 laptops, my tablet and my desktop)
I think the major issue is the change! And that's really it. Many folks probably did an upgrade which is a great recipe for everything to go wrong in terms of devices drivers and conflicts, which are almost 99.9% certain to be a result of a problem with the old OS's setup.
Is your user account an Admin account?
if so, that could be why.
Then M$ deals with such security issues .... that most folks create for themselves anyhow(ie. as in don't password protect Admin rights and log in as an unprotected Admin) and then all you read about is complaints about it! :confused013
Me thinks M$ detected that you don't use a password, have set your account to Admin rights and this constitutes is a security issue!
If this is correct then THEY have done the right thing by you.
If you want to enter the desktop without a login prompt then use a regular User account.
All very interesting Arthur, and I may be missing the obvious here, however I live alone, have a Staffy minding the place when I'm not around, so I don't feel the need to have access to my computer protected by a password.
FWIW, I found the changeover to W10 pretty painless.
One other thing that p!sses me off is that Solitaire is now played online, and to access it MS get the chance to offer you some more unwanted apps. :angry0:
ameerat42
10-03-2016, 9:12pm
Have you checked if Staffy has admin access?:nod:
Have you checked if Staffy has admin access?:nod:
She doesn't, but I'm not going to argue with her. :lol2:
ricktas
10-03-2016, 10:50pm
For me, Win10 has been the most stable. fastest loading and using OS from M$ I have experienced. I have not had a single issue with it on any of my computers. It has never frozen, crashed or blue screen of death'd me once.
Whilst I often read about 'these people' who are many who hate it and have all sorts of issues with it, as far as I and my friends go, we love it. reliable, fast, and IMO the best Win version ever.
arthurking83
11-03-2016, 6:35am
All very interesting Arthur, and I may be missing the obvious here, however I live alone, have a Staffy minding the place when I'm not around, so I don't feel the need to have access to my computer protected by a password.
FWIW, I found the changeover to W10 pretty painless.
One other thing that p!sses me off is that Solitaire is now played online, and to access it MS get the chance to offer you some more unwanted apps. :angry0:
Password protection is not just for physical access to the PC. It also protects the PC from downloaded malware too.
That is, in the 'ye olde days' of Windows where Admin rights were given to everyone by default :rolleyes: it was easier for some infected program to simply install itself on the side whilst the user having admin rights without a password, had no idea it was being installed.
If a leet haxor wanted to get into your system, it was actually quite easy to reset the password anyhow.
I had to do this for my sister's Win Vista! PC(the only Vista slug I've ever dealt with .. uughhh!)
Her user account got corrupted and she couldn't log in of course.
At least it made a backup of the user account, all I had to do was reset the user's password status using a haxor program of some kind, and then reset the backed up user account data to her user name and the PC was good to go again.
So whilst passwords aren't the be all and end all in security, M$ does force us to use them more regularly .. same with when you install all software and when you run certain types of software .. note that you may(or should) get a prompt to allow some stuff to run.
Moved on from the last job that allowed me the opp to play Solitare .. can't do that now at my current work! So haven't touched Solitare since just before Win10(about July last year).
Lance B
11-03-2016, 10:00am
If you had a CD installed Windows, then you may have to log in using the product key rather than go through an email account. I had to do this with mine recently, but with W7 not W10.
ameerat42
11-03-2016, 10:20am
Lance. The W7 > W 10 upgrade uses the valid earlier Win key, eg, from & 7 or 8.
I don't remember having to enter it.
Mark L
11-03-2016, 11:11pm
Oh dear, I'm still using Vista. It's what I've got used to and think it works fine.:confused013
Of cause I don't know what's happened since and I'm bloody scared of change.:D
ameerat42
12-03-2016, 10:04am
Oh dear, I'm still using Vista. It's what I've got used to and think it works fine.:confused013
If properly set up it should:nod:
Of cause I don't know what's happened since and I'm bloody scared of change.:D
That's OK. I'll keep the change:D
Lance B
12-03-2016, 10:46am
Lance. The W7 > W 10 upgrade uses the valid earlier Win key, eg, from & 7 or 8.
I don't remember having to enter it.
If it is pre-installed on your computer when you purchased it, then it may have been done for you, like mine was. However, I was given the original product key when I purchased the computer. When I recently did something which upset the system (can't remember exactly what I did), MS asked for my log-in details or my prodcut key, which I re-entered and everything was sweet.
ameerat42
12-03-2016, 10:59am
Yep. That's right. All 4 upgrades were on laptops that already had W7 or W8 installed.
Password protection is not just for physical access to the PC. It also protects the PC from downloaded malware too.
That is, in the 'ye olde days' of Windows where Admin rights were given to everyone by default :rolleyes: it was easier for some infected program to simply install itself on the side whilst the user having admin rights without a password, had no idea it was being installed.
If a leet haxor wanted to get into your system, it was actually quite easy to reset the password anyhow.
"leet haxor" ??? :eek: , gees Arthur, I had to google that.
I'm obviously still missing the point you are making. :confused013 Other than someone hacking into my system, I can't see how malware is going to be downloaded if I don't click on a suss link, or download a suss program, whether I'm logged in or not, and I'm excessively pedantic about doing either.
Windows 10 forced updates are a PITA. We have lost control and if an update has a side effect we can't delay it until WE THE CUSTOMER are ready
ameerat42
12-03-2016, 1:53pm
Onlly on HOme edition and the next one up. The toppest lets you switch off I think/seem to recall/might have dreamed...
Onlly on HOme edition and the next one up. The toppest lets you switch off I think/seem to recall/might have dreamed...
I can switch auto updates off in my W10 64bit Pro but seemingly not in the Home edition on the lappy, which I've fixed by switching the WiFi off.
John King
12-03-2016, 2:46pm
Kev, the pro versions only allow you to delay "updates", not prevent them. Eventually they will install ... UGLY ... :vomit1:
ameerat42
12-03-2016, 2:50pm
And then there were NONE...:eek::o:(
Havva good read. (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/turn-off-windows-update-in-windows-10)
John King
12-03-2016, 3:12pm
And then there were NONE...:eek::o:(
Havva good read. (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/turn-off-windows-update-in-windows-10)
Thanks, Am. Read and bookmarked :th3: :nod:.
Of particular interest is the ability to block specific updates using the method/s they describe.
Since Win10 no longer supports the concept of service packs, one cannot simply delay installing a service pack until it is proven to be stable by the early adopters (aka 'gamma testers' ... ;) ).
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