Clarification with upgrade options

[rbat]

Hi all,
I would love a bit of advice/clarifications on upgrade options. I currently have a 450D which I have been using for over 4 years. The time has come for me to upgrade. I have 2 main contenders: 7D & 5Dii. Firstly they are both well priced and in my budget (under 2000k).
I shoot a range of things however my real love is landscape with some family photography (my own) thrown in too. From what I have read, the 5D is better for landscape while the 7D is perhaps better suited to people shots, particularly with its rapid fire and moving children?
The 6D is an outside contender but I think it is too expensive at the moment for me and I would rather spend that money on an ultra wide lens for landscape, either the 10-22 or 17-40 depending on which camera I choose. I currently use my 18-55 kit lens for landscape so both will be a wonderful upgrade to my kit. My 100mm, 50mm & T28-75 will be interchangeable with both cameras and I'm happy to leave my kit lenses at this point as my skills have improved
Any insights and personal experiences to help my decision making process would be gratefully received.
Thanks, Bec.

[achee]

I haven't owned either, but from what I've heard/read/deduced the 5Dii has the IQ advantage over the 7D. The main advantages of the 7D are autofocus and burst speed - also size and weight and built-in flash, if that's important to you. The 5Dii is significantly more expensive than then 7D.

Unless you're chasing the kids around to get the photo, I think I'd rather the 5Dii for people shots. Besides IQ, the FF sensor results in a shorter DOF than a crop sensor.

[Cecu]

The 5DII is also said to have better ISO noise performance in low light.
The 7D has more focus points (19) and faster frames per second, however whether you'll actually need the 8fps depends on what you shoot...

The 5DII also does not have a built in flash, so if you don't already have one, you'll need to get an external one (I would highly recommend this anyway..)


Cheers,
Cecu

[rbat]

Cecu, I have a 430EXii, I do not ever use my pop up flash on the 450D.

[El Pedro]

6D is within your budget, I'd go for this if you wanted FF. If you can wait a few months the price will come down. Also Canon is set to release the 7DII early next year, this might be worth holding out for if you want to stick with a crop body.

[William W]

Between the two, I would buy the 5DMkII and I would keep the 450D and the two EF-S lenses you have UNLESS you can get a good price for that kit to put towards your UWA zoom lens.

The 5DMkII is plenty quick enough to capture kids playing around.

For Portraiture generally I would prefer the 5DMkII over the 7D, especially with the Prime lenses you have.

The 28 to 75/2.8 as a Standard Zoom Lens, is better suited on a 5DMkII than a 7D.

So in all apsects for the purposes you have outlined, a 5DMkII makes more sense, than a 7D.

WW

[rbat]

As usual William W, you are a wealth of knowledge. I was hoping you would pop in. That is exactly the clarification I needed. I will definitely be keeping my little 450d. In fact, a while ago you recommended to me to get flash and it was one of the best things I have purchased and something I now recommend to those who ask. It helped me get a lot more use out of the 450d as they are not great at high ISO.

[William W]

I think it is a very good idea to keep the 450D, basically once a couple of years old, most DSLRs become more valuable to the most owners than as liquidation into cash for other purchases - it occurs to me that many don't ever see the practical value of having a second camera body, but rather are just simply too keen on 'upgrading'.

We have a 400D and the two kit lenses (18 to 55 and 55 to 250) and a 35/2, which is used almost exclusively as its own ‘kit’ – it has its own (small) bag and is great for many activities and I use it often for teaching. Whilst our uses might be more varied than a General Photographer’s uses – I think you will find that the 450D will integrate into a DUAL FORMAT KIT very well with a 5DMkII.

For example, if you’re at a soccer game, the best general solution for you will be the 450D and the 55~250 zoom: you might not like Soccer – but there are other similar situations where you wil want a telephoto.

If later you buy a fast telephoto or telephoto zoom, then the 450D will have that ‘extra reach’ with that lens, also.

Also using your 100macro, there is an immediate advantage of two different Working Distances.

Also (for me anyway) the 450D and the 18 to 55 would be a camera I would leave in the boot of the car on a regular basis, as I travel around (I do travel by car often), if this is you, then you could have a camera ‘at hand’ all the time.

***

If your passion is Landscape, then if you do not have already, you will need to investigate a Tripod and Head – gear which should last a lifetime and which one should not skimp on investing good money for quality.

WW

Thank you for your kind words.

[cinvala]

I upgraded from the 450D to a 7D. It took me a while to get use to the 7D, but I'm very happy with the camera. I've kept my 450D body, I'm the sort of bloke who always likes to have a spare :2smile:. I think either the 5D or 7D would be great.

[rbat]

Thanks WW, I do have a tripod but it was given to me as a gift and completely gets in my way each and every time. There must be easier contraptions out there! There is no way it would hold a 5D either. Any brand recommendations for me?

cinvala, what were the main things that took you a while to get used to with the 7D? I have heard a lot of people say this.

[William]

Quote rbat : what were the main things that took you a while to get used to with the 7D?

If you can use one Camera (Especially same brand) You can use another , Just forget about all the Bells and Whistles of the new one for the time being , They all have a Shutter ,ISO settings and Aperture settings, Thats it, If you dont shoot manual they all have AV, TV and Auto

Re : Tripod, Depends on where you want to use it (Portibility) If your going treking , Light and sturdy, If you shoot out of the back of a car , And dont have to walk far , Get heavy and very sturdy , For the price I found


Vanguard to be very good ( even in Salt water and Sand) I got the Tracker 3 and SBH-100 ball head http://www.vanguardworld.com/index.php/en/pv/products/photo-video/detail-1-4-227-618.html

[William W]

There must be easier contraptions out there!


haha!



Any brand recommendations for me?


I use mostly Manfrotto. But that's because I mainly use Manfrotto. You kind of get what you pay for, in the top of the line brands.
Best to understand all the 'features' when comparing and contrasting tripods and heads - and work out IF you need what features.
As a matter of generalizations - I don't like Ball Heads, yet I have and use one (loose ball) on my Monopod, sometimes.

Incidentally I bought a very useful (sturdy) tripod from a money lender shop - very cheap: tripods are one item which are very easy to test.


WW

[rbat]

Thanks WW, I've made a note of those brands and will definitely look into them when the time comes. I'm not a trekker! I will be using it mainly for beach landscapes and macro work.

[rbat]

Thanks William too, sorry I got my William's confused! I had a look at your website and I just love your landscape work. Beautiful stuff.

[fabian628]

id go for the 5d2. the 7D is nice but for what you are shooting i would go for the 5d2. If you shoot sports/wildlife etc. the 7D is a better choice due to frame rate and better autofocus. The 7D is still a nice camera and also takes efs lenses if you have any of those lenses

[Roosta]

I think it is a very good idea to keep the 450D, basically once a couple of years old, most DSLRs become more valuable to the most owners than as liquidation into cash for other purchases - it occurs to me that many don't ever see the practical value of having a second camera body, but rather are just simply too keen on 'upgrading'.

We have a 400D and the two kit lenses (18 to 55 and 55 to 250) and a 35/2, which is used almost exclusively as its own ‘kit’ – it has its own (small) bag and is great for many activities and I use it often for teaching. Whilst our uses might be more varied than a General Photographer’s uses – I think you will find that the 450D will integrate into a DUAL FORMAT KIT very well with a 5DMkII.

For example, if you’re at a soccer game, the best general solution for you will be the 450D and the 55~250 zoom: you might not like Soccer – but there are other similar situations where you wil want a telephoto.

If later you buy a fast telephoto or telephoto zoom, then the 450D will have that ‘extra reach’ with that lens, also.

Also using your 100macro, there is an immediate advantage of two different Working Distances.

Also (for me anyway) the 450D and the 18 to 55 would be a camera I would leave in the boot of the car on a regular basis, as I travel around (I do travel by car often), if this is you, then you could have a camera ‘at hand’ all the time.

***

If your passion is Landscape, then if you do not have already, you will need to investigate a Tripod and Head – gear which should last a lifetime and which one should not skimp on investing good money for quality.

WW

Thank you for your kind words.


Yeap, as above + 1.

Solid advice as always WW..

[davearnold]

I went from the 450D to the 7D a couple of years back, kept the 450D (had to use it while the 7D was away for repair recently , felt like a toy and ended up packing it away and waiting for the 7D to come back) - I agree with the earlier post 6D as best option -5d Mkii is old technology - still will take great photos but from the reviews 6D will doing everything better easier.

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Yeap, as above + 1.

Solid advice as always WW..

I thought this too, and had the 450D in my work bag, after using it a couple of time, and knowing the 7D could have done it much better, it is the 7D that goes everywhere with me now - if you have good gear use it, other wise you will be disapointed in the results, knowing what you could have got using your better camera.

[Roosta]

I thought this too, and had the 450D in my work bag, after using it a couple of time, and knowing the 7D could have done it much better, it is the 7D that goes everywhere with me now - if you have good gear use it, other wise you will be disapointed in the results, knowing what you could have got using your better camera.

It's all relative Dave, you should get close enough results from a 450 to a 7D, just the 7D will out feature the older body. Obviously it depends on what you're shooting at the time.

But hay, If I had a older body and lens combo, I don't see the bad thing with leaving it in the boot as a secondary kit.

But the OP, is asking for our thoughts on the TWO bodies, and I happen to agree with William W, nothing more mate.

Cheers.

[davearnold]

I suppose my main photography subject is moving wildlife - and the focussing system of the 450D is way behind the 7D - and that is its main downside - about a year ago I did a photo a day with the 450D and 50mm F1.8 to improve my photography skills - but that was more scenic/stationary subjects and I got some great images.

From the OP question - I would go to 6D, followed by a 5d Mkii ( just looked and they are now selling used on ebay for around $1300, wow their value has dropped quickly since the release of the 6D )

[Roosta]

rbat,

You could try here (http://www.dwidigitalcameras.com.au/astore/Canon-EOS-7D-C25.aspx).

[davearnold]

cheaper here (http://www.d-d-photographics.com.au/categories/Digital-SLR/Canon-Digital-SLR/Canon-7D/)

[roastman]

I have solved the 5DII versus 7D dilemma for myself. I have two bags of gear at the moment, one with my 5DII and my landscape/macro lenses, the other with my 7D and 70-200 plus tele convertor. I have been fortunate enough to get lots of vouchers recently, so am splashing out for the 5DIII. This will give me one body that does everything I want.....

I am still kicking myself for buying the 7D, as I knew it was a compromise to have a body with faster frame rate (to accompany the 5DII that is my "go to" camera). I wish I hadn't purchased it now and just upgraded straight into the 5DIII, but I made a hasty decision. Now I will be getting rid of a lightly used 5DII and barely used 7D. I thought about keeping one of them as a spare body, but I know I will NEVER take both with me, so they will just sit in a closet gathering dust. Wish I had a crystal ball, as this would have been a much cheaper exercise. Getting the 5DIII is probably overkill, as the 5DII is the body I always grab (and even that not regularly enough), but I really have nothing else to spend the vouchers on, so may as well use them before they expire. I hope Canon does not bring out another body for a LONNNNNG time! At least my wife has given her blessing on this one, as she has no use for the vouchers either, so it is all systems go!

[davearnold]

I have solved the 5DII versus 7D dilemma for myself. I have two bags of gear at the moment, one with my 5DII and my landscape/macro lenses, the other with my 7D and 70-200 plus tele convertor. I have been fortunate enough to get lots of vouchers recently, so am splashing out for the 5DIII. This will give me one body that does everything I want.....

I am still kicking myself for buying the 7D, as I knew it was a compromise to have a body with faster frame rate (to accompany the 5DII that is my "go to" camera). I wish I hadn't purchased it now and just upgraded straight into the 5DIII, but I made a hasty decision. Now I will be getting rid of a lightly used 5DII and barely used 7D. I thought about keeping one of them as a spare body, but I know I will NEVER take both with me, so they will just sit in a closet gathering dust. Wish I had a crystal ball, as this would have been a much cheaper exercise. Getting the 5DIII is probably overkill, as the 5DII is the body I always grab (and even that not regularly enough), but I really have nothing else to spend the vouchers on, so may as well use them before they expire. I hope Canon does not bring out another body for a LONNNNNG time! At least my wife has given her blessing on this one, as she has no use for the vouchers either, so it is all systems go!

I think we are all guilty of this, I have bought a few lenses on the spur of the moment, I rarely if ever use.

"Hindsight" is a wonderful thing (there is also few classic Muscle Cars I owned that I should have kept too:2grief: )

The 5D III certainly has it all, and if I could bring myself to sell my 7D and some of my lenses it would be the perfect camera for me too...................... buy it, sell the other stuff and don't look back.

[roastman]

Looking forward to trying the 5DIII out on Saturday morning. I shot some pics last weekend with the 5DII that I need to re-shoot (looked OK on the LCD, but when I got back to home and viewed them full size realised I had no detail at all in the shadow areas). I don't expect to see a lot (if any) difference in my landscape shots, but it will be nice to have the higher frame rate when I need it. I rapidly got annoyed with carrying two bodies and then started leaving one at home, so it really defeated the purpose of having both. The 5DIII is a slight compromise on frame rate, but it certainly is not a compromise on image quality. Can't wait to play!

Hopefully I won't stuff up the exposures again on Saturday!

[rbat]

Thanks everyone and sorry about the delay in getting back to this thread. Christmas & being on holidays got in the way :2smile:! I'm actually leaning towards full frame now and will be looking at the 6D closely now it has been released. More thinking to do as this will be my first upgrade and I really want something that will enhance the skills I already have and help push me into the next level with more creative control.

[El Pedro]

Canon are doing $300 cashback on 6D with 24-105 at the moment so good time to buy. Has to be from authorised Australian stockist, best I found was $2850 so I snapped it up. This was a Boxing day sale price so you might have to see if they're still in the festive spirit.

[rbat]

Hi El Pedro, who did you buy from? And how are you finding it? I'm really hanging to see some photos from this camera. Might have to stalk Flickr.