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Looking to 'upgrade' my 'sports / wildlife' body.
Currently have 50D and 5D2 so looking for a replacement for the 50D. Not unhappy with the 50D but found low light an issue at times so really looking to solve that problem. Question is, is the 1DMk4 that much better than the 7D??
I have done a comparsion below. Not much between them on paper really, 2 fps but offset by the slightly longer reach of the 1.6x crop on the 7D. Will the additional AF points make much of a difference? What is the practical difference in the high ISO capability? Enough to justify the cost??
Would I be better going the 7D and getting another long lens? - I have the 100-400 but was looking at the Tamrons or Sigma lenses out to the 500mm range - Are they any good?? They come in at $1000 - $1600. Would push me out to the $4400 mark.
.....It is ok going out to 500 but at f6.3 we come back to the light issue so is the 7D going to be ok at the higher ISO settings (in terms of much better than the 50D or much worse than the 1DMk4???). Soooooooooo...........is the 1DMk4 the correct option? - plus the other (probably too many) questions lol Help required :)
1DMk4
7D
10fps
8fps
1.3x
1.6x
45 point AF
19 point AF
16.1 Mpix
18 Mpix
$4700
$2790 (with bty grip and 3 extra batteries
camerasnoop
30-03-2012, 2:55pm
Get a 1D in your hands and you won't be asking that question. :eek:
rowdy23
30-03-2012, 6:27pm
pretty obvious to me...
not sure why the question was asked... heavily stacked to the mk4
wont regret it
etherial
30-03-2012, 6:36pm
Not sure where you're getting those prices from, 7D grey market goes for under $1200 these days from Hong Kong. Even JBs are $1257 delivered for their direct import (grey).
Looking to 'upgrade' my 'sports / wildlife' body.
Easy, sell both the Canon bodies and associated lenses grab a Nikon D3s and a prime lens or two and join those who have proven the worth of the gear. :D
William
30-03-2012, 6:50pm
Just found the 7D for AUS $1,345 with warranty , But silly question MkIV would be the go $4.690 same place
yes sorry all I meant $1790 inc grip and extra batteries.
So the Mk4 would be that much better? I would hate to spend that much and really only get a little more bang for buck
Brian500au
30-03-2012, 7:57pm
I have used the 40D, 7D and most of the 1D (III, DsII, II, IIn) - I will tell you now there is no comparison between a 1D and a 7D for focus speed, build, custom functions and quality of the final result. As someone above said if you hold a 1D in your hands you don't have to ask the question. The only downside is the weight of the machine - but to me that is normal now.
mrDooba
30-03-2012, 8:06pm
If the money isn't an issue, you won't regret the 1D4. It produces beautiful files. I love mine :D
I don't have any personal experience with the 7D so I'm not comfortable giving you "advice" about it. Search the interweb for noise issues in less then awesome lighting conditions. That would be about your only concern with it.
As for the 1D4 I have nothing negative to say about it. It's a fantastic piece of kit.
camerasnoop
30-03-2012, 8:37pm
I'm still surprised that we as photographers with lots of money invested in gear dream that we will find something worth nothing that will be better than the gear we've spent a fortune on. :Doh::lol:
The price difference should be a bit of a clue for us. Afterall, how often do we say, you get what you pay for?
Buy it! You know you want to!
I'm still surprised that we as photographers with lots of money invested in gear dream that we will find something worth nothing that will be better than the gear we've spent a fortune on. :Doh::lol:
The price difference should be a bit of a clue for us. Afterall, how often do we say, you get what you pay for?
Buy it! You know you want to!
True. I was looking at DPreview and I could not see much of a 'real' diffrence and wanted real world experience to back me up I suppose. Buying it is not the problem, knowing I made the right move is :)
Easy, sell both the Canon bodies and associated lenses grab a Nikon D3s and a prime lens or two and join those who have proven the worth of the gear. :D
BAH!!! I have too much invested in lenses to consider downgrading to a Nikon :lol:
I have used the 40D, 7D and most of the 1D (III, DsII, II, IIn) - I will tell you now there is no comparison between a 1D and a 7D for focus speed, build, custom functions and quality of the final result. As someone above said if you hold a 1D in your hands you don't have to ask the question. The only downside is the weight of the machine - but to me that is normal now.
Thanks Brian.
Shelley
30-03-2012, 11:36pm
If money is not an issue, I would go the 1d4 - you get what you pay for. I have the 7d and love it, but know if I picked up the 1dmk4 I would grab my credit card as well :).
Art Vandelay
31-03-2012, 12:06am
I have both.
The mkiv has better AF, cleaner higher ISO, higher frame rate, better build quality & weather proofing.
But is it 3 times better ?
The law of diminishing returns comes into play here.
On the other side of the coin, the 7D is awesome value for money & whilst it has it's limits with higher ISO's, plenty of fine images are made wih it every day. Was reading a while back of a full time wildlife photographer in the US, Montanna or somewhere. He wanders out in the mountains for days at a time hiking and travelling light. His only kit is a 7D & a 100-400.
Really comes down to what you're comfortable in spending. :)
In saying all that, whilst I love my mkiv, for a variety of reasons which suit me better, am about to sell it and purchase a 5Dmkiii and go back to having a full frame & 1.6 crop in the bag.
Roosta
31-03-2012, 12:50pm
With Snoopy and Brian500, after making the switch, you won't regret it. Focus focus focus.
I have used a 40D and 50D I don`t seem much difference in IQ, higher iso performance and a few MP to the 7D. IF you use spot centre focus in the 50D its similar enough to the 7D.
If the other focus points and other slight improvements are important to you, yes its worthwhile. But its not a huge step up.
Have you considered waiting for the upgrade 7D mark II, but really in some ways it would make more sense to upgrade your 5DII to the 5D III and keep the 50D.
The 1D iV would be nice but is it better than a 5D III for your purposes ?
I have used a 40D and 50D I don`t seem much difference in IQ, higher iso performance and a few MP to the 7D. IF you use spot centre focus in the 50D its similar enough to the 7D.
If the other focus points and other slight improvements are important to you, yes its worthwhile. But its not a huge step up.
Have you considered waiting for the upgrade 7D mark II, but really in some ways it would make more sense to upgrade your 5DII to the 5D III and keep the 50D.
The 1D iV would be nice but is it better than a 5D III for your purposes ?
I dunno. I think the 5D2 is great for what I use it for and I do not see the III as a big step up. I think my real dilema is still deciding if the 7D is a viable option. As Art Vandelay said, is the MkIV worth 3 times the cost of the 7D? Unfortunately I live in Kalgoorlie so getting my hands on a 1D is impossible as the only camera shop we have is Harvey Normans. I will have a play with the 7D though.
there is a step up from the 50D to the 7D, its incremental better in focus points, slightly more frames per second, bit better metering, electronic level, slightly bigger viewfinder, slightly better build. For the current price its probably worth it. But like I said if you use mainly spot centre focus and process the raw file then end result is almost the same.
I have played with a 5DII and coming from a 7D I find the focus system alone a step back, such that I don`t really want one. Would rather buy a 17-55 IS USM for the 7D. Guess that is way I am thinking that the step up from the 5DII to the 5D III makes more sense.
The 1D iV only seems to make sense if you need it for fast action shots, otherwise for the extra cash you spend, you can get a new 5DIII. The way I read it its a bigger step up from the 5D II then the 7D is to the 5D. Maybe just look at some new lenses:)5
Tannin
01-04-2012, 10:59pm
There are a number of well-informed posts above. Brian500au, Mr Dooba and Art V all have relevant experience, and they are all saying pretty much the same things. Let's throw my hat into that same ring: I own both the 7D and the 1D IV and echo the previous posts from people who actually own 1 Series cameras and know something about them. You cannot measure the worth of a really fine quality tool (such as a 1D IV) by looking at the spec sheet anymore than you can measure the superiority of a really fine piano over a merely competent one simply by looking at the bill of materials. To really understand the difference between the two pianos, you have to play them - and the more you play them the greater the clarity with which you see the difference. Err ... and hear the difference, in this case. :)
The 7D is a wonderful camera, clearly superior to the 50D in a number of ways. I love my 7D. But my 1D IV beats it in almost all respects.
Is the 1D IV worth the extra money? Well, put it this way, I pretty much knew exactly what to expect from the 1D IV because I'd owned a 1D III for some years, and I had no hesitation. The only problem I have with my 1D IV is that it seems to have displaced my 7D as my primary bird camera, which is not what I bought it for. Now I have to figure out what to use for the tasks I had the Mark IV earmarked for - and no, I can't afford another one!
BTW: you might also consider a 1D III if you see one at the right price. A very, very fine camera, the 1D III, and absolutely worth using for the sort of tasks you have in mind.
fess67
01-04-2012, 11:51pm
Thanks Tannin.
I think that response was why I posed the question. All I can go on is paper based reviews, what I wanted was experience from people who have used the thing to quantify the difference.
Minister of finance has approved the project......expect a new addition to the family within a week :D
Tannin
01-04-2012, 11:58pm
Cheers Fess. That's good news. You will love it.
I can't help with which one to buy but I have seen the 1Dmkiv going for $3,692 brand new at http://outbackphoto.com.au/
larrywen
02-04-2012, 2:15pm
1d4 if I were you.
Wow - what a strange comparison. So... what to eat - I'm not sure if I want a cherry or an entire watermelon? :lol:
They are completely different pieces of gear. Personally I would not think of the 1.3x crop as a bad thing - if you want it to look like 1.6x, just crop your files in post. The 1D series absolutely kill anything else as far as autofocus and frame rate. Add to that they are a tough camera. Up until a bit over a year ago I still had my 1DmkII, it was fantastic for what used it for (mainly motorsports). I'm a firm believer that megapixels are not everything, I'd take a larger sensor any day. But if money is no problem, then the 1DmkIV, wow - what a camera. I'd bet you would swear you will never need another camera ever again. :D But then, like most things, it is just down to money...
Wow - what a strange comparison. So... what to eat - I'm not sure if I want a cherry or an entire watermelon? :lol:
They are completely different pieces of gear. Personally I would not think of the 1.3x crop as a bad thing - if you want it to look like 1.6x, just crop your files in post. The 1D series absolutely kill anything else as far as autofocus and frame rate. Add to that they are a tough camera. Up until a bit over a year ago I still had my 1DmkII, it was fantastic for what used it for (mainly motorsports). I'm a firm believer that megapixels are not everything, I'd take a larger sensor any day. But if money is no problem, then the 1DmkIV, wow - what a camera. I'd bet you would swear you will never need another camera ever again. :D But then, like most things, it is just down to money...
Yeah I hear you. But when doing the research things were coming up that made the 7D seem like one hell of a camera. Things like it shares its autofocus system with the new 1Dx........now to my basic mind that is a pretty heavyweight camera to be using the 7D stuff, erfo the 7D must be good?.......yadda yadda. etc.
Either way, the 1Dmkiv is on the way so the end of this week has been promoted from Easter to Christmas :D
vk2gwk
03-04-2012, 10:02am
Just upgraded to a 5D Mark III and think this is a nice "in between" the 7D and the 1D MkIV: Full Frame, 61 AF points (very well performing as far as I can judge from the ca. 200 shots taken so far) 6fps, dual memory slots.....
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/6885158370_6bf2d1e8f4_b_d.jpg
Surf on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vk2gwk/6885158370/in/photostream/)
Off topic here, but damn that is a very nice photo, sharp crisp and very clear colours.
Nice shot. I think the choice to go 1Dmkiv was the correct one given I already have the 5Dmkii. I am not sure the 5Dmkiii would have given that big a point of difference and I also wanted the crop factor to help give a little bit more range.
Picked it up on the way home from work tonight so the battery is on charge. Planning a session over the holiday weekend :D
Tannin
04-04-2012, 11:35pm
You will be a bit underwhelmed to begin with. Well, you could be. Don't fuss about that, just use the camera. In a few weeks time, ask yourself "how do I like it?" or "could I go back to the 50D?". The 1D grows on you, there is more to it than you realise till you spend time working with it and, after a while, it's just part of who you are and what you do. You'd no more go out to take pictures without your 1D than you'd go out to take pictures without your trousers.
Well .... come to think of it I have gone out and taken pictures with a 1D and no trousers. it was a lot more fun than going out to take pictures with trousers and no 1D. :)
...Was reading a while back of a full time wildlife photographer in the US, Montanna or somewhere. He wanders out in the mountains for days at a time hiking and travelling light. His only kit is a 7D & a 100-400....
Travelling light? His previous career must have been in furniture removals. :p
You will be a bit underwhelmed to begin with. Well, you could be. Don't fuss about that, just use the camera. In a few weeks time, ask yourself "how do I like it?" or "could I go back to the 50D?". The 1D grows on you, there is more to it than you realise till you spend time working with it and, after a while, it's just part of who you are and what you do. You'd no more go out to take pictures without your 1D than you'd go out to take pictures without your trousers.
Well .... come to think of it I have gone out and taken pictures with a 1D and no trousers. it was a lot more fun than going out to take pictures with trousers and no 1D. :)
Had a quick play......trousers on so it is family friendly!! :p
WOW. focus speed is amazing. Just messing with birds in the back yard and sheesh this thing grabs hold and does not let go. I have not messed with any settings yet.
Hooked up the 100-400 and 1.4ex...sooo, coupled with the 1.3 crop factor that gives me an effective focal length of 728. Handheld at 1/500...crisp shots.
Hoping to go find some wedge tails over the weekend. will post up if I get any.
ps. messing at work yesterday. ISO 12800.....OMG. totally acceptable 'work' shots. amazing.
mrDooba
06-04-2012, 8:18pm
You're gonna love it :)
Had a quick play......trousers on so it is family friendly!! :p
WOW. focus speed is amazing. Just messing with birds in the back yard and sheesh this thing grabs hold and does not let go. I have not messed with any settings yet.
Hooked up the 100-400 and 1.4ex...sooo, coupled with the 1.3 crop factor that gives me an effective focal length of 728. Handheld at 1/500...crisp shots.
Hoping to go find some wedge tails over the weekend. will post up if I get any.
ps. messing at work yesterday. ISO 12800.....OMG. totally acceptable 'work' shots. amazing.
Need to post up some pics for all of us to have a look at.
EDIT:I just found a pic of a wedge tailed eagle you posted sorry.
I just bought a 7d. Upgraded from the cameras in my signature. I cannot believe how good this camera is. 6400 ISO is very usable. I wont be hesitating at all. Autofocus is pretty good. Its a great camera.
Also for the $1070 or so dollars its an absolute joke for the price.
I miss full frame, but this camera is excellent, more than makes up for it. I like the 1-series but for me it muddles up lens lengths too much.
Tannin
10-04-2012, 11:22am
Wow - what a strange comparison. So... what to eat - I'm not sure if I want a cherry or an entire watermelon? :lol:
Errr ..... but why? I mean, why wouldn't you want to compare Canon's best sport & wildlife camera with Canon's second-best sport and wildlife camera? Strikes me that it would be pretty strange to compare the 1D IV with anything except the 7D unless you were segueing into studio type stuff and considering a 1Ds III. Come to think of it, you could also compare the Mark IV with the new 1D X, but I always forget about that one because it's nowhere near suitable for the bird and wildlife tasks I use a 1 Series camera for. Sport people may feel differently if they don't need the reach of the 1D IV.
mugget
10-04-2012, 12:58pm
I miss full frame, but this camera is excellent, more than makes up for it. I like the 1-series but for me it muddles up lens lengths too much.
1.6x crop is less confusing that 1.3x crop? Fair enough...
BTW which version 1DS did you have?
Errr ..... but why?
It's a strange comparison because it's a pro body, which by nature means it's in a completely different league to anything else. Not just when it comes to price, but also features and build quality.
Art Vandelay
10-04-2012, 2:44pm
Travelling light? His previous career must have been in furniture removals. :p
It may seem odd, but where the norm for most of that work is a 1D series body (or 2) & a big prime (or 2) along with a selection of other lenses. A single 7D & a 100-400 is a lightweight kit., relatively speaking. :)
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