So what about a D4 ?
So what about a D4 ?
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yes was reading that today...will be interesting if its the real deal..it looks like a winner to me on the spec sheet..time will tell of course
Many who are usually in the know are tight lipped, and the admin of NR states he believes it is real and 99% sure it will be the replacement we get. From the specs, and some of the comments, I agree with that 36MP sensor (same one as D3x?) we are not likely to get HI-ISO anything like the D700/D3 or magical D3s. The slow fps would also be disappointing if reports are correct, and all this may be Nikon's way of defining the model in the market and differentiating it from the full pro D3s replacement.
I watch very very closely....
To be honest im looking forward to a d400 with similar performance to the current D3 re ISO and Af for sport
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In the years I've had Nikon's they've always pandered to the user base..... "Or maybe they just want to see how people will react to a 36MP sensor?" ....
(y'know!!.... 40mm Dx Micro lenses and so forth! )
I seriously doubt that Nikon would give any D700 replacement 36Mp.
If they maintain their D3/D3x product differentiation, then 36Mp for a D3x replacement for sure .. possibly maybe even more just to get it close to the 45Mp of the 645 Pentax.
I think any D3/D700 replacements will struggle to get past 20-22Mp at best.
I think their priority will be clean ISO200K images!!
The lesser ISO/AF performance of the current DX line is what has stopped me buying one now, because with only 12MP in the D700, I could use that DX crop factor for sports and wildlife, although it's moot if all the goodies along with the big MP sensor appear in the D700/D4 replacement.
I wish they would just release, something, anything vaguely DSLR shaped... thats a start right? I'm sick of waiting and want to upgrade
I am just thankful that there is a newer product or replacement for the D700. We've been waiting for this for about 2 years or so now. It may not appeal to everyone but we'll just have to wait and see. It's too soon to judge it but most of it's feature will be welcome by others. Can't please everyone.
Have you seen the noise of this Sony sensor on raw images on DPR?
Nikon and Pentax have both shown that they seem to have an ability to extract better NR capabilities from their implementations of the same Sony sensor where applicable, but this still doesn't look all too good. While it's true that at 24Mp ultimate detail rendering will be higher than a D300(s) the noise performance of the D300 looks to better the 24Mp sensor!
How Nikon will tackle this issue is anyone's guess!
I think everyone was or is, expecting an evolutionary advancement in this level of camera, and probably expecting better ISO performance than the D7000.
A D400 will almost certainly have better performance in the usual specs that it's supposed to have buffer size/speed, shooting specs, AF performance, etc.
That D800 mockup, hardly looks to be anywhere near the size of an Fx camera. Distance between the edge of the grip and the RHS of the screen is hardly even D7000 spacing, which indicates that the D800 is about the size of a D5100.
I doubt that Nikon would reduce the size of the D400, so it's unlikely to be that either.
If 'this D800' has video as expected, you would at a minimum expect it to have a minimalist articulating review screen, more likely to be a full articulating screen.
But the real give away is the lack of a focus mode switch!
Well at least we now know why Nikon have delayed this camera for so long. After a year long gestation period, someone at Nikon suddenly realised that they forgot to add the focus mode switch and they had to do a quick re design.
The Thai flood was just a convenient excuse!
It will be 36 MegaPixels because it can.
This is meant to counter a 35 Megapixel 5DIII.
I hope I won't need a gyroscope and remote shutter release for my TriPod.
I wonder if the sensor is more forgiving of user error and bad glass in DX mode?
So I hope the Video is much better than in the past.
This D800 will have to compete with Canon and Sony.
I also expect the High ISO to be slightly better than the D7000 (same pixel density).
I am shooting at Auto ISO 12800 now and bumping over 6400 quite often.
Last edited by RRRoger; 21-11-2011 at 2:14pm.
Everyone better get practicing with their shooting discipline otherwise you won't be seeing 36MP even if the specs says so.
"The lesser ISO/AF performance of the current DX line"
jeez you must be difficult to please!
NR have never got it right yet - so MOngo is not holding his breath. He will believe it when he sees it. Moreover, Nikon had better come up with something worth waiting for. It would have to go a long way to even match Sony's new 24 mega pixel, mirrorless, 16000 ISO etc etc for about $1300 ; let alone beat it !
What is a usable HI-ISO from the best DX body at present (D7000)
Are the best of the 2 above in the same body?? No..
Once you have had D3 & D700 you are a little spoilt, and while the D300s has same FPS as D700 and almost same as D3, it's ISO performance is well below both FX models. The D7000 has better ISO than the D300s, but still not as good as the FX bodies, and the FPS is much slower.
I would like either a DX body or a high MP FX one for wildlife and sport, but going from pro bodies to DX bodies with lesser performance in 2 critical areas is not something I am willing to do.
Last edited by Wayne; 24-11-2011 at 10:06am.
d300 = 8fps ,more than adequate for sports
d300 iso 3200 = more than usable for pro football at night if exposed correctly
I guess it depends what you will use the photos for,I shoot for an agency and publications and havent had any knockbacks or complaints of the shots from the D300
I sometimes think we are reliant on camera technology too much,after all there have been some outstanding sports images made with manual focus cameras and grainy 1600 film!
learning a sport and anticipating the 'moment' negates having 11fps
ps I have a d700 as well
ISO3200 from a D300s for a newspaper or the like will usually be quite ok, but for large hi res prints you will see quite a bit of noise and then start to lose sharpness by using NR applications.
The D7000 actually has better ISo performance than the D300s...
When we start to look at the ISO performance from a D3s (which I am considering buying - just waiting to see what the replacement will bring and how it affects D3s pricing) it takes very usable images at ISO25600 which helps a great deal when trying to keep shutter speed up on fast moving subjects in near darkness. Bear in mind I mate the body for my sports shooting to my 400/2.8VR which really shows it's low light gathering strength when mounted to pro bodies, but a DX crop factor would be handy too if that body had similar ISO and AF performance of the FX cousins.
ISO3200 on a D300 im sorry is very average
Maybe Im useless, but high FPS is great for me, difference between THE moment in an action sequence is a very small window.