Bathurst Race Photos : Sorry but you cannot put them on AP

**kiwi** · 10-10-2011, 8:08am

Im not sure it would be worth links Rick, they change quite often and often dont match the terms actually printed on the ticket

In addition another complexity is that accreditted photographers don't actually buy or agree to a ticket....

**Ms Monny** · 10-10-2011, 9:36am

Nope - not going to bother doing it just for a handful of people looking at my images. Pity though, hey??

**Kym** · 10-10-2011, 9:43am

Originally Posted by kiwi

In addition another complexity is that accredited photographers don't actually buy or agree to a ticket....

Accredited photographers are subject to the conditions of their accreditation.

Last year's Clipsal, I was on the roof of an office building adjoining the track a got some great night shots of the fireworks.
I guess I could have gone there during the race and used my 500mm with a 1.4TC

**Chris Michel** · 10-10-2011, 11:01am

dont media acrred togs have rules and regs as well as what they can and cant do with their piccys ???

**rellik666** · 10-10-2011, 11:14am

Whilst they may change regularly I am pretty sure the general gist of T&C's wouldn't change. It would be very useful and helpful to see these.

For the AFL as it currently stands, I always thought it was a venue rather than event condition, as Skilled Stadium has different rule to the MCG, but just found these that appear to blanket all.

1. not to bring into the Venue any photographic, video or audio recording equipment for any purpose other than private non-commercial purposes, which may include, without limitation, video and/or audio recorders, camera tripods, monopods or lenses with a totalfocal strength of greater than 200mm and commercial digital video equipment;

2. not to (i) make any recording or take any photograph for anything other than private noncommercial purposes or (ii) make any recording or take any photograph of any person without the authorisation of that person or (iii) sell, license or otherwise publish, disseminate or reproduce (or permit such), whether in whole or in part, any recordings taken or made inside the Venue (including, without limitation, photographs, video recordings, data recordings or sound recordings) without the prior written consent of the Australian Football League;

3. not to broadcast or narrowcast by any means whatsoever (including, without limitation, by way of mobile telephone, modem or other wireless device) any images, sounds, data, results or commentary of or concerning any of the matches or other activities at the Venue without the prior written consent of the Australian Football League;

http://www.afl.com.au/fixture/aflven...2/default.aspx

**jeffde** · 10-10-2011, 4:25pm

Came across this thread cause my images were deleted....LOL

Accredited togs still have to abide by T&C but they are different. Last
year when i worked my job was to take images - for the web...

**jeffde** · 10-10-2011, 4:26pm

Just a question ?
"series of still pictures "

If i say post 1 image in a competition then that should be OK ???

**I @ M** · 10-10-2011, 4:33pm

Originally Posted by jeffde

If i say post 1 image in a competition then that should be OK ???

Sorry but no. Read the T&C paragraph in its entirety and note the very first words --- Any imagery.

**Speedway** · 10-10-2011, 9:51pm

This came up at a discussion between some leagle friends of mine and it was said there that the T&C on the back of a ticket was not worth the paper it is written on. To enforce it they would have to explain the T&C to each individual and have them sign a form to say they understood the terms before they could enforce them. I would love to have the money to be able to test this.
Keith.

**ricktas** · 10-10-2011, 9:57pm

Originally Posted by Speedway

This came up at a discussion between some leagle friends of mine and it was said there that the T&C on the back of a ticket was not worth the paper it is written on. To enforce it they would have to explain the T&C to each individual and have them sign a form to say they understood the terms before they could enforce them. I would love to have the money to be able to test this.
Keith.

You and me both, but seeing as we don't, I am not about to have them send their sufficient funds my way, in the hands of their lawyers

**Ezookiel** · 10-10-2011, 10:16pm

Go on. I'm sure if you win you'll be awarded costs, and get it all back -

**arthurking83** · 10-10-2011, 10:22pm

I'd really love to see someone with lots of time and money take these organisations to task on the this topic too. But the ultimate reality is that they can enforce a certain amount of pressure on the general public(and on the pro's too, of course) not to profit from the event.
I think that your legal friends may be right in that unless there is a written agreement signed by both parties, they have left themselves open to a loophole in the process.
Ultimately if someone with the money chooses to take these organisations on and, hypothetically speaking, they win the cause .... the real problems will then start.
The inevitable outcome would simply be that the organisers of major events would simply ban all cameras brought into the event venue!!

In the end, it's a lost cause, that is unless the general public is willing to boycott the events.
It takes a lot of will power and discipline from Joe Average to do so, and the way it's looking, most (major)events are usually oversubscribed with spectators as it is already!

Summary: even if you win the battle, you still end up losing the war.

**CAP** · 10-10-2011, 10:30pm

Is there any time limit for these image bans?
Say for instance you have, what you consider a few decent images from one of these "premier events" that are 2-3-4 years old.
Is one ever permitted to post these images to show fellow members?

**kiwi** · 10-10-2011, 10:42pm

No, unless you like 10,000 others do a status update using Facebook, google+ or twitter ( they obviously dont count) and put pics via that

**tmd77** · 11-10-2011, 12:56am

Hi All,

Am thinking about going to the GC 600 in a couple of weeks and if i decide to go, i'd like to try out my new canon 60d! I've been trying to find information on whether DSLR's are allowed trackside, or whether the rules are like footy games. Unfortunately I can't find any information anywhere pertaining to photography/videography.

If anyone has insight into this, please let me know!

Cheers,
Trent

**I @ M** · 11-10-2011, 5:44am

Originally Posted by tmd77

I've been trying to find information on whether DSLR's are allowed trackside, or whether the rules are like footy games. Unfortunately I can't find any information anywhere pertaining to photography/videography.

Trent, I have merged your thread with this one for several reasons.

Just as it took a fair bit of searching for me to find the terms and conditions regarding photography at Bathurst the other day I can't find any info about the subject relating to the God Coast event.

The big problem seems to be that if you ( or I or any normal person ) start searching for specific race events you end up on sites like this and there is no information available. It seems that the individual races end up with their own web site and just like the Bathurst site last week they don't contain links to info about photography.
There seems to be a complete screw up with their web pages, all the V8 supercar events seem to be under the banner of V8 supercars and still on that site there is no information re photography.
If one searches for "V8 supercars terms and conditions" you may get lucky as I did and find yourself on a totally different web site that does spell out the terms for Bathurst and that appears to be the site of the official promoter / owner of the series but even their home page doesn't function.
I would assume that seeing as they refuse to allow images from one event that they own to be placed on the web that they would have the same policy for all other events that they own.

It really is a very poor way of doing things as far as I can see but what would one expect from an organisation connected with mock up car brands and dodgy telephone suppliers.

**kiwi** · 11-10-2011, 7:57am

You'd be allowed in with a dslr and up to 200mm at every event I've been aware of so I think you'd be right Trent.

**tmd77** · 11-10-2011, 8:48am

thanks for merging it Andrew, searched for Gold Coast 600 threads but didnt think to search for other V8 events

Interesting read of a thread. Makes you wonder where common sense disappeared to.

Thanks kiwi, looks like the 17-50 will be staying on the camera all day...

**macmich** · 11-10-2011, 10:19am

i have just got a vision of a couple of blokes on top of the mount after a hundred and ten cans spinning around in circles trying to read the terms and conditions
cheers macca

**TonySlattery** · 25-10-2011, 9:53am

Who would have thought the relatively harmless hobby of photography would be frought with such danger? Is it a testament to the power of the image or a sign of a loss of innocence?

It comes back to the dollar in most cases, and how would you feel as a professional photographer to be usurped by thousands of talented amatuers?

Thanks for the warnng about putting images like this on AP.

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