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    Nikon PR nightmare

    http://www.petapixel.com/2011/09/28/...pment-he-uses/

    Wow, epic post by the Nikon facebook PR team. I wonder how are they going to live it down.

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    Foot in Mouth disease methinks. But then again, if I want to win a competition here I might have to sell my car and motorbike and get the best camera and lenses..
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    Damn. I wanted to be a good photographer, but apparently I can't be, because I have the wrong equipment. I may as well give up now
    Though in honesty, there's probably a very small portion of truth in the statement - a really bad lens might blur images more than a good one - but then a good photographer would make that blur work for them, so there goes any truth in the statement.
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    I think I will be selling my Non Nikon gear to some other poor schmuck who doesn't know the camera makes the photographer!

    Better get in quick before the rest of the world realises and my stuff becomes worthless....

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    yeah I noticed that on crackbook, social media is a dangerous beast when it goes viral
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    Pretty dumb thing to say, really quite ignorant... perhaps whoever was responsible could have phrased that a little better

    Makes you wonder how some people get certain jobs eh?

    I don't see the point in them asking that question at all actually.

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    Woohoo. Nikon know their stuff. So everyone should dump their Canon's, Sony's and Pentax's and get with the program. NIKON RULZ!
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    Sometimes the truth hurts :-;

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    Damn. My dreams are shattered, until I win the lottery.
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    There might still be a grain of truth if they said the "right" lens instead of a "good" lens.
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    I asked my wife 3 months ago if I could sell the car and buy a 250-600 she would`t let me ,looks like it is mediocrity for me.

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    Your gear should always be able to perform better than you. Your skill and not your gear should always be the limiting factor in your system. I don't see where Nikon said everyone must buy Nikon gear, nor that only the most expensive gear is worth buying.

    The people who think a great tog can use a 5yr old P&S and produce the same photos as using their regular DSLR, should maybe buy my 5yr old P&S off me

    I know that if someone asked me to take some pics for them, but stipulated I must use a specific set of gear which didn't have the features required for the event, I would feel less confident vs using the appropriate gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reaction View Post
    I don't see where Nikon said everyone must buy Nikon gear, nor that only the most expensive gear is worth buying.
    That's right, however, they started by saying , "A photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses,............"
    Leaving aside the fact that a lot of woman take photos, does that mean that because I don't have as good equipment as someone else, I can't be as good a photographer as them? Or because someone can afford better equipment than me, they must be a better photography?

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    I think it is so funny that people are even worrying about it, there is a lot of rubbish spouted in marketing, what about all the p&s cameras that let you shoot like a professional? Anyone with half a brain can decide or research what level of equipment suits their purposes at any given time.Most likely it is just a way to get people talking Nikon....amazing how many non Nikon users follow the Nikon forum.
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    Glad I bought a Nikon.... I'm on the right track atleast.

    In a way its been eventful marketing.... look at how much press they are getting.
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    This may not be as bad as everyone is making out. I mean, if they want people to rush out and buy cameras (or lenses) because it'll make them take better photos, then all the 'consumers', uninformed etc will rush out and spend up - that's what Nikon want, right?

    Of course we all know that it's not true, but I know a LOT of people who think that a good photo must mean a good camera (not a good deal of skill by the person driving it) who would go "oh sweet, better go and upgrade!". A post like this would have them roped in and Harvey Norman would reap the rewards...

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    I came across that yesterday, but what really intrigued me was the comments that some people made in response and unfortunately some people will take that original post seriously.... It was still a good laugh though haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark L View Post
    That's right, however, they started by saying , "A photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses,............"
    Leaving aside the fact that a lot of woman take photos,....
    Really, that's what worried you? Are we going back to the 90's politically correct world of hu-persons?

    Soon some's going to complain that they said "A photographer" and some photographers work in groups, or the VALs need credit too, or the retoucher, or MUA, or model, or the national trust that looked after the heritage building so you could take the photo, or the conservatory looking after the forest, and pretty soon we'll be complaining that the font they used was innappropriate for such communication

    And hell yeh, me using my DSLR is better at photography than me using a pinhole camera. Me using a TTL flash is better than me using a manual flash or no flash in some situations. I've met a person who guaranteed he could take better photos with his iphone in ANY situation than I could using my DSLR, so I guess he would be insulted, but I think the rest of us would rather just go out and take photos.

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    Even tho I don't fully agree with the sentiment, there is some truth to it, and there's always someone that is going to stir this thing up into a storm.. because we all know that giant killing is a world wide phenomenon. Nikon being the 'giant' that it is, we're instantly prone to taking to them with whatever weaponry we can find (of sorts.. not literally).

    So on a serious note, those that think Nikon's comment is completely out of line with this comment .. how many of you are willing to abandon your uber great DSLR and kit of lenses and swap them out for a cheapo Chinese point and shoot camera for $10 with free postage?

    if your gear is not essential in capturing better quality images, what's with all the replies to the effect of ditching the kit lens and acquiring better more professional quality lenses!?

    Why do we all aspire to own expensive lenses such as fast primes and pro quality f/2.8 zooms which are far less flexible in terms of use and usability?

    Lets not all fall into the trap of this lowest common denominator form of response.

    Comments such as the idiot with the chefs and the spatula.. really? is that what AP is about?... inane replies that reach the depths of stupidity.

    Is he seriously comparing a basic tool such a spatula to a complex and sensitive tool such as a lens, in terms of how it can help the operator capture their vision!

    As for the guitar comment! Is he serious(again!!). I've never seen a cheapo Chinese $1 guitar ever used in a professional environment, and guitarist the world over covet their Fenders and suchlike.
    What an idiot comment, and anyone that agrees with that kind of sentiment should really seek professional advice.
    That's what we do,! We covet a particular bit of uber photography gear(as photographers) because it helps us to capture images in ways that we see them.
    A builder covets a particularly high priced tool because it helps them to build more effectively(and anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional!)

    My brother in law is a builder and I've helped him on the odd job here and there. A while back he needed to cut some concrete and bought a cheap chinese non name brand concrete saw.. due to it's quoted power rating. Piece of crap wouldn't cut melted butter and broke down twice anyhow. Took close to all day to cut barely any of the concrete, when he called his usual contractor to come in and 'rescue the job' In an hour and a bit, the contractor and his massively expensive Stihl saw had done 15x what Jack could do with the hacks tool he got from ebay.

    Don't fall into this tall poppy cutting pandemonium simply because it's the easy way out.
    Look at what's been said in an objective manner and question these lowest common denominator response types if they themselves have any of the 'good lenses' that the Nikon PR person is referring too? if they are going to disagree then they should really put up or shut up themselves ..

    show us your Pulitzer Prize wining photos taken with a cheap Chinese $5 16 Mp point and shoot!!..... and then maybe I'll start to listen the alternative.

    Nikon have simply put in writing something that we really all believe in .. you invest in higher end gear for a reason!

    What Nikon says is the truth, and should not offend anyone!
    They haven't said anything about creativity and ability.. they've only said that the photographer is as good as the equipment they use.

    So, as a photographer, your assignment is to get some nice wide angled images with good subject separation, and your first choice of lens is going to be ... what? A standard kit lens 18-50 f/3.5 - 5.6?
    No! it's more likely to be a 24/1.4 or a 35/1.4(maybe) but the 35mm's ability to capture a wide angle perspective is questionable. So the 24mm is more likely to win the race as the lens of choice.
    To this you will most likely couple it to a 5D or D700, but if you can afford it you'd probably get a 1Ds Mk IV or D3s or D3x anyhow. With an unlimited budget you would splurge and get the best.. and now here you are making derisive comments about Nikon and their comment!
    Does this make sense?

    If any scorn should be directed at Nikon's PR imbecile, it's should be on the fact that they said : he and not they!!
    I find it hilarious that Nikon have been ridiculed for making a statement of fact about the gear aspect of the quote and no one has taken them to task that they seem to think that only males use their equipment!

    Actual Nikon quote as per the link:

    A photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses, and a good lens is essential to taking good pictures! Do any of our facebook fans use any of the NIKKOR lenses? Which is your favorite and what types of situations do you use it for?
    (Sorry I don't have this FB virus, so I can't see for myself the actual offending comment, only what's been pasted in the above link).

    As to what the ruckus is about, Nikon's comment is basically the truth. if you don't have a good quality macro outfit, don't expect high quality macro images.
    If you want shallower DOF you need lenses that produce shallower DOF!

    Nikon have never made comments as to the individual ability of the person only that we are all limited in our ability to produce the goods based on the equipment at hand.

    You may well be the best photographer ever in the history of man kind, but if your camera stops working or you drop the one and only lens you took with you on your photography trip .. how good are you as a photographer really?


    If we are going to take Nikon's PR person to task here(on AP) lets do it in a more intelligent manner and not join the brainless FB moron commentators ..

    Girls??? .... you don't feel offended in having been labelled a he?
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