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    Competition or not?

    Hi AP'ers,

    Take a look at this.

    What's your view?

    Someone recently asked me how one can possibly compete with photographer like this, offering ridiculously low rates for wedding photography. I haven't been in this business for long, yet I'm still amazed at some of the things I see.

    My question to you is... If you charge premium dollars for a premium product, are you REALLY competing with these people? Would someone who's willing to hire a $100 wedding photographer ever consider hiring someone charging in the thousands anyway?

    Discuss...
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    I'm not amazed.

    I once got undercut by a photographer who was willing to do 3 days of photography for $55 - yep thats fifty five dollars. Client who required shots of their multimillion land and property developments were "dissapointed" with the results. Experienced, educated professionals were in charge of that decision. Result was that they missed the chance of producing something that could have gained them some industry construction awards. Value of those would have been a great deal more than my costs.

    So am I surprised ? Nope because any idiot can put up some prices and then not have to deliver the product at the advertised price. I should be surprised at the clients who want to seek that, but then again, I'm not because one of the things that people value the least these days is - photography.

    And no, I dont think its something to feel that you're competing with if you want to aim for the premium market, and the $100 shooter is aiming at the lower end of the market. Horses for courses I suppose.

    On the topic of 1000 images for $100 - now thats just madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasevk View Post
    Would someone who's willing to hire a $100 wedding photographer ever consider hiring someone charging in the thousands anyway?
    No, there are some out there that consider a night out at maccas as fine dining.....

    Crikey, just read the reast of ad, 1000 jpegs edited for $100.
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    Love to see their portfolio ;-) Someone's bound to be disappointed.

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    Let's analyse the person's ad.

    "wedding photography for your special day, I will take pictures (400 raw or 1000 jpeg), edit them and burn them onto a disc all for $100"
    I'm wondering why, for the bargain price of $100, this advertiser is only prepared to convert 400 raw images to JPG mode.

    If I wanted the other 600 raw images converted, I guess I would need to 'upsize' and pay another $5...

    "Equipment I work with is Nikon D700, SB900 flashlight and 50mm f1.4 lens. "
    Not that the majority of people seeking a wedding photographer would care what gear the shooter uses, and while there's nothing wrong with those items, it far from makes up an adequate wedding kit.

    With only a single 50mm lens the shooter would want to make sure that everything he wants to shoot is within a suitable distance for framing with a 50mm lens.

    "Let me know if you are interest."
    I would be interested in a photographer who values his reputation and presentation enough to check his grammar (or typing) and correct very simple mistakes.

    Sorry, but that ad, its presentation and placement, and the lack of a Web site, contact details or portfolio, screams "a teensy bit of gear and absolutely no idea", so, pass.
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    ...(400 raw or 1000 jpeg)...
    I thought this was a strange distinction - till I realised he only has one memory card.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fillum View Post
    I thought this was a strange distinction - till I realised he only has one memory card.
    That thought did cross my mind.

    It sounds almost humourous.

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    Good luck to him, I bet when he's contacted it is not $100 for all that... probably a scammer
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    The word in the ad that always gets me is 'I will take pictures'

    Umm, No as a professional (?) you should be taking photos. Might as well have said I will take "p-iccies" of your day. (had to put the - in there as the site converts that word to images...hehe)

    NEXT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longshots View Post
    I'm not amazed.

    I once got undercut by a photographer who was willing to do 3 days of photography for $55 - yep thats fifty five dollars.
    I have no words for this... completely insane is the best I can do.

    From what I recall of our chat, the entire market for real estate photography has taken a real beating... which staggers me because the photographs are the first thing a potential buyer will see.

    What do they say about first impressions??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenedis View Post
    If I wanted the other 600 raw images converted, I guess I would need to 'upsize' and pay another $5...
    Gold! I had a good chuckle over this!

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    I guess it comes down to whether a potential client switches from a $3k wedding photographer to a $100 one. I doubt that, I could see tha if you were a $500 photographer though you'd see it differently

    Had a good chuckle over the memory card comment too
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    Well this person posted another job 2 days before. It says:

    "hi, I am a final year university student. I have strong interest in photography, so if you would like to have a free photography assistant for your business on the weekend please contact me. Although my experience is limited, I am eager to learn.

    I work with Nikon D700, 50mm 1.4G, SB900 and tripod, I have done some editing with Adobe photoshop and lightroom.

    contact me on 0431 699 336.

    Thanks. "

    Hmm.... I think if he took your wedding photos, you would probably be having your wedding reception at McDonalds with a happy meal for everyone!

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    lol, at least he's looked at the memory card to see how many pictures he can fit - or perhaps that's credit where credit isn't due :P
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    Based on Keith's post above, my guess is the edited JPG's are using a Lightroom preset, that he got off the net. Open the folder, click and convert. Go off and have a coffee etc, come back, copy to disk and give to client.

    If people actually pay him the $100.00, then they get $100.00 value from the results. What 17 year old mother of five, would not love this deal when she decided to marry one of the guys who could have been the father on one of her kids.

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    Enterprising young person. Just about every student wants to earn a little from whatever enterprise to see them through uni. A couple of people I know, Dick Smith and Clive Palmer, ran many such enterprises in their early days earning nothing at the outset but look where they ended up. At least you know where you stand with this person ($100) - better than pretending you're a professional and charging a $1000.
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    The old adages of 'you get what you pay for' and 'if it looks too good to be true it usually is' instantly spring to mind. Covering a wedding is an all day affair and then there is the editing of the photos. This person certainly doesn't value themself very highly.
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    Well, someone told him that he was being talked about....because the ad is no longer there!! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Monny View Post
    Well, someone told him that he was being talked about....because the ad is no longer there!! LOL
    Perhaps he has so much business he doesn't need to advertise any more?

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    I love these ads especially the previous one he posted because when clients say I can get it from someone else at $100 i just show them the previous post and say thats why these guys do it so cheap... no experience, no gear, no back-up...... No way
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