Sydney antics

[Shelley]

Currently in Sydney with a group of students. Sydney weather is perfect.

I was dared at bondi beach to approach someone saying I was from the Sydney herald and take their photo. I promptly went up to a group of young men near surf rescue with students cracking up and teachers videoing me (now on Facebook). The guys believed me and I got a great group shot - but I didn't think too much about my settings - they were all smiling beautifully for me.

Talk about out of my comfort zone.

[Scotty72]

Well done, but I am not sure about the ethics of misrepresenting yourself. If they had simply assumed you were media = ok... but...

[ricktas]

Well done, but I am not sure about the ethics of misrepresenting yourself. If they had simply assumed you were media = ok... but...

Says he who has wangled his way into the media pit at events. : http://www.ausphotography.net.au/for...-support-forum

[Shelley]

I feel better now.

[Shelley]

Fair comment - itnwas a dare and I think the guys caught on. They were young and having fun and no harm was meant.

[Scotty72]

Rick,

The difference is: I just turned up; I did not claim to be anyone; they just assumed

Perhaps a small difference but, an important one.

Scotty

[ricktas]

Rick,

The difference is: I just turned up; I did not claim to be anyone; they just assumed

Perhaps a small difference but, an important one.

Scotty

To you maybe, but in the end its just semantics! I see ZERO difference. From your comment to Shelley above, my opinion would be that you are acting as the eithics police, albeit with a tainted history yourself. What is it they say about glass houses?

I think Shelley could/should be commended on getting outside her comfort zone and doing something a bit daring.

[Scotty72]

To you maybe, but in the end its just semantics! I see ZERO difference. From your comment to Shelley above, my opinion would be that you are acting as the eithics police, albeit with a tainted history yourself. What is it they say about glass houses?

I think Shelley could/should be commended on getting outside her comfort zone and doing something a bit daring.

Your last statement I totally agree with.

But, I do believe that not correcting the mis-assumptions of others is at one side of the ethical line whilst actively seeking to mis-represent yourself is on the other. I think you will find a possible legal difference as well.

Mostly, because telling people you belong to a newspaper (when you don't) is transgressing against the reputation of that newspaper.

In the same situation, you could tell them you were shooting free-lance and hoping the Herald would pick-up your photo essay (don't we all hope that one day our photos will get noticed).

My point was, you shouldn't claim you represent an organisation you don't - in much the same way that we should go around claiming to represent AP. That is all. Would YOU consider it ZERO difference if I did that? (not if you are smart )

Scotty

[ricktas]

My point was, you shouldn't claim you represent an organisation you don't - in much the same way that we should go around claiming to represent AP. That is all. Would YOU consider it ZERO difference if I did that? (not if you are smart )

Scotty

People do that every day, when they wear AP hats, AP Polo's, AP t-shirts. When no harm is done, I don't care, and I do not believe Shelley harmed anyone.

[ving]

People do that every day, when they wear AP hats, AP Polo's, AP t-shirts. When no harm is done, I don't care, and I do not believe Shelley harmed anyone.

i sometimes were my hat... makes me look like i representing some company while being sun-wise at the same time! not that i use it to get places i shouldnt be.

I am with rick. if you walk into a resricted area with and use your camera to blend in, its the same as wearing a police uniform and asking to search someones house... the camera is your uniform... its all misrepresentation.

but no harm, no foul...

good on ya shelley. I doubt i'd have the guts to do that

[Longshots]

its always important to get out of your comfort zone when it comes to photography - the pity is that in this day and age its considered risky to get a group of strangers together and take their picture on a beach.

[Shelley]

We had been to Canberra, snowfields and then Sydney. We had24 students and approx. 10 of them caught a vomiting and diaroher bug through a seven day period (12/14 yrs old), poor kids it was terrible.. we teachers were stuffed. We messed about a bit and the students were really enjoying it, do it again to cheer them up.

[jim]

Tend to agree with Scotty. But more important, where are the pictures?

[Shelley]

Tend to agree with Scotty. But more important, where are the pictures?

When I get back to Perth I will show and tell - really was fun and our girls liked the guys. I have some great photos from the snowfields - Some I cannot show as they are students.

[kiwi]

I often impersonate a photographer, and a nice guy, but hardly ever at the same time

I don't think you should say you're media (or a typist for that matter) when you aren't, either explicity or implicitly

[ricktas]

I don't think you should say you're media (or a typist for that matter) when you aren't, either explicity or implicitly

Can you please tell Julia Gillard that?

[Scotty72]

Can you please tell Julia Gillard that?

I don't get this, did she once impersonate a journalist?

I know Mark Latham does from time to time

[reflect]

I remember a collaborative shoot with another potographer and a moving pictures guy, three models, mua and gear everywhere, it all looked like a big fashion location shoot and we were approached by two young ladies with consumer grade dslr's asking what we were doing. He told them we were shooting for Vogue. Imagine our suprise, when they were sitting in the row in front of us at a lighting workshop the next week. We all had a giggle, but it goes to show you never know when something you say can come back to bite you.....still sometimes you have to expand the edges of the envelope a bit !

[Chris Michel]

I personally think the term "Media" and "Press" is used way to much by people / photographers attempting to get into events, games etc.... listened to a interesting conversation between some brisbane and gold coast actual media / newspapers togs at educational press call we had at Tweed Heads early this year re public education changes under the current federal government. They all made comments on weekend warriors / part timers / and amateurs getting media passes to events / incidents / concerts etc under dubious applications, and they just jam up photo points and get in the way of actual working press togs. Apparently this is an all to common problem .....

[atky]

I personally think the term "Media" and "Press" is used way to much by people / photographers attempting to get into events, games etc.... listened to a interesting conversation between some brisbane and gold coast actual media / newspapers togs at educational press call we had at Tweed Heads early this year re public education changes under the current federal government. They all made comments on weekend warriors / part timers / and amateurs getting media passes to events / incidents / concerts etc under dubious applications, and they just jam up photo points and get in the way of actual working press togs. Apparently this is an all to common problem .....

You know what, did you ask any of these self riches photographers how they got a start in the industry. If you can apply through the system and get accreditation that means that someone besides the photographers think you deserve to be there. Sines when dose a photographer trying to protect his income get the right to decide who shoots what and where from?