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Gabby, it depends what you will be primarily shooting, and if you need the 5DmkII superior low light and high ISO performance, or the 7D fps and AF...its just a matter of which is more important.
The other thing to consider is your lens choices, and the 7D is a 1.6x sensor so your lens focal length is different to what it says, but if you take that into consideration when buying lenses it shouldnt be an issue.
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IF you like wildlife.. Consider the 100-400L or the 50-500 Sigma (if $$ is an issue) instead of the 70-200. Combine that with the 1.6 crop factor. It's a smashing wild life combo. 7D edges out the 50D in terms of ISO (matters most when it's low light), auto focus and FPS, but 50D takes some awesome shots as well.Originally Posted by gabby
This thread is helpful as I'm currently trying to determine which to buy now that the bil'ls are finally allowing me to get my dSLR. I'd decided on a 50D with a 70-200 telephoto and 100macro lens as I prefer wildlife & macro shots to landscapes but current research has edged me closer to the 7D as I cant afford to see this camera as something I can replace later- it has to last me a long time. I looked at the 5Dmark II secondhand but I don't really trust the unknown history of used cameras after a certain used car I bought as my first carIsthe full frame feature sufficient to warrant the extra cost?
I've read good things about the Tamron 90mm Macro lens. Maybe someone who specalises in macro can give you better advice on body and lens combo as i've got absolutely 0 knowledge. I read you need a good ring flash for good macro shots as well.
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5d2 is nice, but the auto focus is not really suited to wildlife (anything that movesThis thread is helpful as I'm currently trying to determine which to buy now that the bil'ls are finally allowing me to get my dSLR. I'd decided on a 50D with a 70-200 telephoto and 100macro lens as I prefer wildlife & macro shots to landscapes but current research has edged me closer to the 7D as I cant afford to see this camera as something I can replace later- it has to last me a long time. I looked at the 5Dmark II secondhand but I don't really trust the unknown history of used cameras after a certain used car I bought as my first car) as well as the frame rate is very low, only 3.5 or similar compared to the 6 fps of the 50D. The canon 1d mark 2 or mark 3 have a larger sensor, but also have high frame rate, you may have a look at these. The canon 1 d mark 2 sells for $800 or less second hand. This is a pro body, once you taste 1 series its hard to go back
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Woops! I wonder why all the professionals didn't know these downsides before buying but I guess they figured that they could use manual focus or change their focus points to suit particular needs.5d2 is nice, but the auto focus is not really suited to wildlife (anything that moves
If you want to work at 8.2MP (or 10MP for the III), then that's OK.The canon 1d mark 2 or mark 3 have a larger sensor, but also have high frame rate, you may have a look at these. The canon 1 d mark 2 sells for $800 or less second hand. This is a pro body, once you taste 1 series its hard to go back
With a fast card like the 60MB/s or 90MB/s card you can shoot continuously with the 5DMKII until you fill the card...What can you miss in 12 frames in 3 seconds that you can catch in 24 frames in 3 seconds...I wouldn't imagine much.
There is a lot in the 5DMKII that wasn't even imagined way back in 2001...10 years ago.
You can buy a 1D MKii for about $1400.00 with about 90,000 actuations on it....about $1600.00 for the III with about the same amount of actuations. These camera have usually been used by sports or news photographers and could be tired. You need to make sure they have had regular services with Canon Professional Services just to be on the safe side.
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I dont understand your sarcasm here. The camera does not have a high frame rate and the auto focus is not particualrily fast, thus not suitable for wildlife which is usually requiring fast auto focus.
A 1d mark 2 is actually only $800 or less. Yes it probably has 100k on it, but they are rated for 300k so this is not a big problem.
I was particularly amused by your wild statement....
"Anything that moves"?
You are right that the 1D MKii & iii have faster autofocus (45points to 9 points) but to totally dismiss the 5D Mkii as you did is IMHO not objective. A search of the web discloses dozens of top wildlife photographers using the 5D Mkii.
If you are ONLY going to shoot wildlife then, yes go for the 1D ii or iii but if your photography is mixed and if you might benefit from low light shooting sometimes, then the 5D MKii has to be an option.
I've got both and use them for different shooting...but I mostly opt for the 5D Mkii now as I get very little failure with focus, even shooting Rugby regularly.
I do not see how I have made a wild statement. First the slow frame rate is a factThe auto focus being 'not particularily fast' is not exactly wild, it really isnt that fast.
I am not sure what the number of AF points has to do with how fast the camera AF's.
I do not totally dismiss the 5d2, however, in the above question (gabby), they are interested in wildlife, and less still life things, landscape etc. 1 series is more suitable for this.
I would love to see the wildlife shots taken with the 5D2, most I guess would be slower moving creaturs such as large mammals. You could manually focus birds in flight if you have good timing, but you would not reccomend a manual focus lens for shooting birds in flight.
If anyone doubts that the autofocus on the 5DMKII is too slow for birding, then you need to look at this site! 5DMKII.
Here's a teaser!
These are nice photos, but it is a tool in the hands of a good photographer. It is similar to suggesting the 7D has not got faster / better auto focus than a 50D becuase a skilled photographer is getting great shots with a 50D. I am also curious to see how many shots of these sequences were in focus. Of course we only see the ones that turned out
No we are just talking about whether the 5D MKII is up to taking birds in flight! It doesn't matter how many bad frames he has, so long as he captured the frame he wants. Isn't that the object of multiple frames...to make sure that you capture the most impressive image? In fact, this photographer must be very good as he was able to capture these excellent shots with only 4fps!These are nice photos, but it is a tool in the hands of a good photographer. It is similar to suggesting the 7D has not got faster / better auto focus than a 50D becuase a skilled photographer is getting great shots with a 50D. I am also curious to see how many shots of these sequences were in focus. Of course we only see the ones that turned out
Isn't that what any camera is? If you can do action with a 5D then go for it, I certainly do. Don't say a camera is incapable of doing something when clearly it can be. A 5D isn't going to not fire just because you are trying to take an action shot.
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I am not sure what this has to do with selecting an appropriate camera for a specific task. A 50 year old full manual film camera can capture a bird in flight. Is this an appropriate camera to use for birds in flight?
" Don't say a camera is incapable of doing something when clearly it can be"
please show me where I said this camera was incapable of taking action shots?
"It doesn't matter how many bad frames he has, so long as he captured the frame he wants"
if a camera tracks an object, out of 10 frames one is in focus. Is that good? (I am not saying the camera does this, but by your logic, this should be perfectly ok).
I honestly think there is some serious self justification of camera purchase going on, happens everytime someone suggests the 5D2 is not gods gift to mankind. sigh. Hopefully Gabby has learnt something anyway.
Last edited by fabian628; 02-07-2011 at 4:48pm.
Not at all...only trying to balance the view for those who are looking on. As I said, I have both cameras so don't want to justify either, just use them to take good photos!
In fact,when I first started in photography in the early seventies, I had a Nikon F2 Photomic with a motor drive which was a manual focus camera but I was able to take plenty of Aussie Rules Football photos as a press photographer (nikkor 600mm F4)! Never had an issue with out of focus aerial/action shots. Also I remember taking some pretty good photos of plovers and magpies in flight swooping me and they were also very sharp images...again with the motor drive in action.
Last edited by Doninoz; 02-07-2011 at 6:03pm.
I'm not trying to justify my purchase I'm just saying like others that's it's a capable camera and you can do all the same styles of photography as any other camera out there.
I am in a similar position, wondering whether to upgrade from my Canon 5D to the Mark ll. What practical advantages have you found between the two models ? I'm generally concentrating on Landscape photography .
Last edited by bennito42; 03-07-2011 at 4:40pm.
Hi, here's my +'s and -'s on the 5DMKII. especially as it relates to birding...I am in a similar position, wondering whether to upgrade from my Canon 5D to the Mark ll. What practical advantages have you found between the two models ? I'm generally concentrating on Landscape photography .
+ Low noise level, ISO 1600 gives workable images, even ISO3200 usable for documentary purpose.
+ Good dynamic range. More workable pictures than 50D which has more noise and less range.
+ High pixel count. If you can get close to the bird (which usually is easy from a blind) you will get excellent feather details and still have some room to get the surrounding for a good frame.
+ (Live-view) Low shutter vibrations. No shake even without IS (my 1DmkIII has terrible shutter vibrations for example, totally ruining all kind of long-time exposures even with IS, and yes I tried all settings)
- AF not as good as 50D, birds-in-flight is possible but in difficult situations it's not easy. 1DmkIII and 50D are better.
- Low light focusing not as good as 50D. I shoot a lot of very low light long exposures and sometimes the 5DmkII fails to deliver (the 50D is much better here)
- More shallow DOF than a crop camera. Though an advantage for other types of photography, a slight disadvantage for bird photograph. You must use smaller apertures (like f11) if the bird is close.
With the 5DmkII you need to learn and understand its advantages and disadvantages. For really challenging shots I use the 1DmkII or the 50D.
If I was to invest in a Canon bird camera today, I'll go for the 7D, to go along with some PS skills
Here's some of my favorites with the 5DmkII from a friends site:
110910310 (at 50% and ISO1600 there is no noise at all. However the downsizing ruined the details in the fine feathers)
111414273 (low light exposure at 1/13s, here we can see the excellent dynamic range with all kinds of shades of black showing even after level adjustments)
113066440 (another at ISO 1600. Here's the shallow DOF of a full frame helps with the background)
110855698 (the 5DmkII is not totally off for BIF's. Early morning into the light and long lens with extender, the mkII got the job done here)
110351070 (100% crop showing all the details)
Personally, I find the 5DMKII an above average all rounder! For landscapes it is the best! Hope this helps. Regards Don
Lucky you!I have the original 5D and would love to update.
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I was not aware that the shutter could cause significant vibrations (i havent noticed it in the past, although I havent really tested it either). I am curious what the differences are between the 1d3 and 5d2 which causes vibrations from the shutter.
Hrmmm.. Doninoz... mirror lock up still gave the same issues?
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