Banning live stock export-

[Chilli]

For anyone interested to ban live stock export please sign on this link.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/an...xlbWFpbGlkPTgw

[Mark L]

Done.

[Michaela]

Done!

[Chilli]

Thankyou

[ving]

thats 12% of the GDP you are signing away! in monetary terms thats about $155 billion in lost revenue per year.... should we make another tax to make up for that lost money?

[Mark L]

thats 12% of the GDP you are signing away! in monetary terms thats about $155 billion in lost revenue per year.... should we make another tax to make up for that lost money?

That doesn't refer to live animal exports. This does http://www.livecorp.com.au/SingleArt...year_2010.aspx

The first paragraph says "The value of the Australian livestock export industry exceeded A$1 billion for the second year running in 2010, delivering $1.012 billion in export revenue to the Australian economy." LiveCorp would have some idea.

[ving]

." LiveCorp would have some idea.

thanks. still $1 billion... nothing to sneeze at.

my info is from the national farmers federation 2011... it includes all farming i believe...

[Tannin]

thats 12% of the GDP you are signing away!

Remind me to buy carpet from you. I'll ask for enough to do a small mat in the toilet, and wind up with enough to carpet the entire city!

12%? What planet does that figure come from, and can you see it on a clear night?

[Mark L]

12%? What planet does that figure come from, and can you see it on a clear night?

To be fair, that was addressed in post #11, and ving acknowledged the wrong figure in post #14.
I agree with your next post about stun gun. One wonders what the animals go through before they get stunned though.

[ving]

http://www.nynganobserver.com.au/new...g/2051990.aspx

[kiwi]

do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

makes a good story though.

[jim]

do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

makes a good story though.

Really Darren? How far would you go with this logic?

Would you sell a puppy to someone you knew was heavily into dog fighting?

Photos of kids to a known paedophile?

What wouldn't you sell, and to whom?

[ving]

Really Darren? How far would you go with this logic?

Would you sell a puppy to someone you knew was heavily into dog fighting?

Photos of kids to a known paedophile?

What wouldn't you sell, and to whom?

as darren stated... irrelevant. like selling bombs to terrorist cells that target australia...

so wht of the economical side sire?

[Mark L]

do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

makes a good story though.

But we do regulate who we sell uranium to though.

[Bennymiata]

But we do regulate who we sell uranium to though.

But we can't regulate who they on-sell it to!

The big problem with live animal exports is that different coultures have different ideas about the treatment of animals.
In some coultures, animals are there to be used and abused and their pain and possible feelings are totally ignored.
What may seem very cruel to us, means nothing to them, and it is expected of them to treat animals in this way.

I don't agree with treating animals cruelly and feel we should have more control over how they are kept and slaughtered, so perhaps we should set up the slaughter houses for the animals we export and then sell the carcases to them rather than let them slaughter and perhaps, misstreat the animals we export.

One big problem we have in Australia, is that we export the raw materials, but not the processed material - which is where the real money is.
We ship out bauxite instead of aluminium and live animals instead of meat.
Perhaps it's about time we hassled the government to stop the sales of raw materials in favour of processed, or at least, semi-processed items.

[kiwi]

Let's see, no, as that's illegal here as an activity, and no, becuase that's illegal here as an activity

I wouldnt sell anything to anyone using it directly illegally

But, would i manufacture and sell cars, yes...guns....yes...etc etc

Where does the liability for what you create end ?

[jim]

Let's see, no, as that's illegal here as an activity, and no, becuase that's illegal here as an activity

I wouldnt sell anything to anyone using it directly illegally

But, would i manufacture and sell cars, yes...guns....yes...etc etc

Where does the liability for what you create end ?

Well I can only applaud the logical consistency of your position.

[Scotty72]

If I walked up to a knife shop, asked to buy a knife because I wanted to murder someone in another country: should the shop-keeper be in a whole lot of #### if he agreed to sell me the knife?

I would hope so - the shop-keeper should be an accessory to murder. He should not simply say, 'I need to make money to feed my kids.'

Why, we all have a duty of care towards our society and the society of our trading partners.

If we sell cattle to a slaughter-house that we know abuses the animals - breaking our laws and possibly theirs, should we be held to account?

I would hope so...

Perhaps if country A wants to buy our uranium for the stated intention of building a bomb to obliterate country B, do we say, "To hell with everything, we'll be rich and take no responsibility."

What a frightening world...

Scotty

[ving]

If I walked up to a knife shop, asked to buy a knife because I wanted to murder someone in another country: should the shop-keeper be in a whole lot of #### if he agreed to sell me the knife?


Scotty

if i buy a chicken from a farm and take it home to kill and eat is that wrong?
If i go to a chinese resturant and point to a tank of fish and say "i'll have that one" at which point it is caught, killed and cooked is that wrong?


cattle and sheep are not humans... cattle and sheep are bread to be eaten... this whole conversation is going to nothing but make more vegetarians

[Scotty72]

I am just as big a meat eater as anyone. My favorite animals come with a serve of fries and mustard..

But, there is difference between humane killing and the sadistic cruelty that was evidenced on 4 Corners the other night. The sight of that poor animal shaking in fear as it was forced to watch 4 other beasts being carved up in front of it... It was obviously in mental agony (as any sentient being would be). There is just no excuse for that. Ever..

if i buy a chicken from a farm and take it home to kill and eat is that wrong?
If i go to a chinese resturant and point to a tank of fish and say "i'll have that one" at which point it is caught, killed and cooked is that wrong?


cattle and sheep are not humans... cattle and sheep are bread to be eaten... this whole conversation is going to nothing but make more vegetarians