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    Banning live stock export-

    For anyone interested to ban live stock export please sign on this link.

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    thats 12% of the GDP you are signing away! in monetary terms thats about $155 billion in lost revenue per year.... should we make another tax to make up for that lost money?

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    do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

    i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

    makes a good story though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

    i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

    makes a good story though.
    Really Darren? How far would you go with this logic?

    Would you sell a puppy to someone you knew was heavily into dog fighting?

    Photos of kids to a known paedophile?

    What wouldn't you sell, and to whom?

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    Let's see, no, as that's illegal here as an activity, and no, becuase that's illegal here as an activity

    I wouldnt sell anything to anyone using it directly illegally

    But, would i manufacture and sell cars, yes...guns....yes...etc etc

    Where does the liability for what you create end ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Really Darren? How far would you go with this logic?

    Would you sell a puppy to someone you knew was heavily into dog fighting?

    Photos of kids to a known paedophile?

    What wouldn't you sell, and to whom?
    as darren stated... irrelevant. like selling bombs to terrorist cells that target australia...

    so wht of the economical side sire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ving View Post
    thats 12% of the GDP you are signing away! in monetary terms thats about $155 billion in lost revenue per year.... should we make another tax to make up for that lost money?
    That doesn't refer to live animal exports. This does http://www.livecorp.com.au/SingleArt...year_2010.aspx

    The first paragraph says "The value of the Australian livestock export industry exceeded A$1 billion for the second year running in 2010, delivering $1.012 billion in export revenue to the Australian economy." LiveCorp would have some idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    do we care that our iron ore is used to make nuclear bombs ?

    i think the issue of what happens to livestock after they are exported and sold is not really our concern.

    makes a good story though.
    But we do regulate who we sell uranium to though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    Let's see, no, as that's illegal here as an activity, and no, becuase that's illegal here as an activity

    I wouldnt sell anything to anyone using it directly illegally

    But, would i manufacture and sell cars, yes...guns....yes...etc etc

    Where does the liability for what you create end ?
    Well I can only applaud the logical consistency of your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK L View Post
    ." LiveCorp would have some idea.
    thanks. still $1 billion... nothing to sneeze at.

    my info is from the national farmers federation 2011... it includes all farming i believe...
    Last edited by ving; 02-06-2011 at 2:23pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARK L View Post
    But we do regulate who we sell uranium to though.
    But we can't regulate who they on-sell it to!

    The big problem with live animal exports is that different coultures have different ideas about the treatment of animals.
    In some coultures, animals are there to be used and abused and their pain and possible feelings are totally ignored.
    What may seem very cruel to us, means nothing to them, and it is expected of them to treat animals in this way.

    I don't agree with treating animals cruelly and feel we should have more control over how they are kept and slaughtered, so perhaps we should set up the slaughter houses for the animals we export and then sell the carcases to them rather than let them slaughter and perhaps, misstreat the animals we export.

    One big problem we have in Australia, is that we export the raw materials, but not the processed material - which is where the real money is.
    We ship out bauxite instead of aluminium and live animals instead of meat.
    Perhaps it's about time we hassled the government to stop the sales of raw materials in favour of processed, or at least, semi-processed items.
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    If I walked up to a knife shop, asked to buy a knife because I wanted to murder someone in another country: should the shop-keeper be in a whole lot of #### if he agreed to sell me the knife?

    I would hope so - the shop-keeper should be an accessory to murder. He should not simply say, 'I need to make money to feed my kids.'

    Why, we all have a duty of care towards our society and the society of our trading partners.

    If we sell cattle to a slaughter-house that we know abuses the animals - breaking our laws and possibly theirs, should we be held to account?

    I would hope so...

    Perhaps if country A wants to buy our uranium for the stated intention of building a bomb to obliterate country B, do we say, "To hell with everything, we'll be rich and take no responsibility."

    What a frightening world...

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    If they are breaking their laws then they should be damned.

    I'm not for cruelty to animals, but I'm also not for banning live stock exports in general

    Fix the problem at the problem

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    The only thing that annoys me about live/dead export is that Australian prime cuts go overseas.
    Also, it's not our problem and we have more important things on our own soil to worry about, immigration is just one thing that I can list.
    I wonder whether we should treat there immigrants the way they treat our livestock exports.
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    I have worked in this industry for about 15 years, including managing an abattoir and meat processing facility. I now work as a supplier to many abattoirs and boning rooms in Australia and I can assure you that banning live exports will create more problems than it solves. Some points to consider:
    • If live export was banned, all the abattoirs could not keep up with having to slaughter locally. With the exception of the current climate (drought and floods causing shortages) most have been running at or near capacity for a long time.
    • Animal welfare would be worse for these animals coming out of the North West and NT due to the longer trucking distances (worse than shipping). This also adds cost to the farmers and would send many of them broke.
    • We have no control over which abattoirs the animals go to even with banning them. Most animals are sold into feedlots and can end up anywhere.
    • If we ban live export, they will just get the animals from somewhere else. At least this way we still retain some control over the conditions and animal welfare.
    That being said, I do believe that the MLA and Livecorp should hang their heads in shame. They have known about this for a VERY long time and should have been more proactive.

    The one thing that really annoyed me was that the slaughter was not in accordance with the Halal procedures that are enforced upon Australian abattoirs, such as the kill should be with a single stroke of the knife and the animals are not allowed to see another dead animal. Yet here were these abattoirs supposedly conforming with Halal requirements, not complying with either of these, complete double standards. I can assure you that the slaughter of animals in Australian abattoirs is very humane and nothing like what was shown in the 4 Corners program.

    Matters such as this are highly emotive and that leads to rational thinking being thrown out the window.
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    Some of our cattle go for live export - mainly to japan. They are normally feedlotted there for 12 months. The investment in these cattle is huge at every step of the way, and none of the participant in the japan trade are willing to do anything that compromises the quality of the meat or results in the premature death of an animal. Stressed cattle are not good business, nor good meat, and animal cruelty is a sure way of stressing them.

    A kneejerk banning of all live exports both hurts producers and processors who do the right thing as well as doing nothing to fix the problems of people not even following their own rules.
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