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    Following on in this topic.

    We often see members post saying they are about to setup their small photography business and what should they charge. So here is an example of one way of working that out. How much do you want to earn from your small business? I hear you say you would like to take home a pay of $60,000 per annum, before tax. GREAT! So we have a starting point.

    Now you need to start your research, you need to know what the following costs you (per annum)

    Insurance - public liability, your camera gear, income protection(in case you cannot work- sick), maybe property, if you have a shop front. If working from home call your insurance company, you may need to pay extra to cover you running a business from home.

    Advertising - Find out how much business cards cost, stationery, a logo designed, placing ads in the local newspaper perhaps, contact the local wedding dress makers/ cake makers / wedding car hire companies, find out if they allow advertising through them. Find out the costs.

    Accountant – talk to the tax office, your accountant. Find out what you need to do reporting wise (GST, balance sheets etc). Find out what your accountant would charge to attend to your financials. Do you know how to use MYOB ? If not, go do a course and include the course costs in your accountancy costs, here

    Equipment - Camera gear, it is great you have that 1000D, but what it it breaks down 10 minutes into a wedding? You need to have enough equipment to be able to effectively have a good fault tolerance. Fault tolerance is how well you can continue operating with the failure of one or more pieces of equipment. Phone, Fax, computer(s), printers.

    Suppliers - frame makers, canvas printers, large prints, albums, and more, You need to research all of these and find out what each is going to cost you. No use telling the client a canvas print is $250.00 to find out that it costs you $245.00 to get it printed.

    Finance - You may not have enough money to start your company and plan on borrowing say $20,000 to get it set-up. You need to know the interest and repayment amounts, cause you need to factor those into your figures to find out what your total expenses will be, running your business.

    Other – Any other costs you might need to consider.

    Now the fun part. Sit down and work out all your costs for a year. Here is an example


    Wages $60,000
    Superannuation $5400
    Insurance $3000
    Advertising $2000
    Accounting $2000
    Equipment $23,000
    Supplies $15,000
    Finance $7000
    So there you go, your costs for your small business are $117,400

    Some other things to consider, not included here. Equipment depreciation/failure and replacement, computers and software, rental costs, phone costs, power costs, travel costs (petrol, tyres, car servicing etc). To do this properly, you need to factor in ALL your costs.

    So now we know you need to make $117,400 / 52.2 (weeks in the year), equates to $2.249.00 a week to meet your target.

    From this $2,249.00 a week, this gives you a figure to start working out what to charge. How you do that is up to you.

    You should have spent time during the planning stage working out how many weddings you will do a week, how many portrait sittings, engagement shoots, product shoots, property shoots, etc. Once you have all that, and the costs associated with each one, you can start to formulate a charging rate for each photographic session.

    There is no magic figure you should charge, because what someone charges in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney would not even compare to what someone charges in Adelaide. The operating costs are completely different.

    This guide is not to be used as financial advice, but rather, is designed to make you think about setting up your business and how to make it profitable. Many people do not create a business plan, and then wonder why they are not making any money. Do yourself a favour and create a business plan, make it comprehensive, do your research into all your costs, and be prepared to work hard and adjust your business plan in need.

    So next time you get asked to shoot a wedding and agree to do it for $300.00, think about this thread. You might just want to increase that quote a bit. And for $300.00 you probably don't even have public liability insurance? Guess what, great uncle fred trips over your camera bag, which you left on the ground while shooting the bride and groom, dear old Fred ends up in hospital, and sues you for his medical expenses. There is much more to being a paid photographer than just saying yes to a $300.00 wedding, 'to get the experience'.
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    Valid for those wanting to go full time, it would be quite a different calculation for those, I'd guess most here, that want to to part time as a supplementary income whom probably already have the gear for personal use to start with

    That would be an interesting calculation to do as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    Valid for those wanting to go full time, it would be quite a different calculation for those, I'd guess most here, that want to to part time as a supplementary income whom probably already have the gear for personal use to start with

    That would be an interesting calculation to do as well
    No reason you cannot use a modified version of the above as a part timer. You still need to decide how much you want to make, and work out/know what your costs are, before you can set a price for the services you are going to provide. A business plan is a valuable tool whether your want to do it full-time or part-time.

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    Great post- its good to see some encouragement for up and coming photographers that have a genuine interest in making what started as a hobby a successful career path

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    Great piece of advice for amateurs like me. Thank You

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    Hi all,

    I spent most of my working life running my own small business (not specifically photography) and I can confirm that anybody who posted above that it's tough is right.

    There are many ways to start, but two common - and opposite - ways are as follows:



    • 1. Wing it on the smell of an oily rag. Do cut rate jobs for very little money, work out of a bedroom instead of a studio, exaggerate your skills and experience if asked, don't pay for insurance, use cheap gear, etc. In short, be exactly the sort of person that you will probably be complaining about in a few years time if you do claw your way up to become successfully mainstream. It can work.

      2. Draw up a 'proper' budget and business plan. Go to the bank and borrow the necessary money . Somewhat stunningly it usually turns out to be hundreds of thousands of dollars, not tens, as Rick's list points out. Equipment, studio space, insurance, possible extra staff, advertising, it never ends....Congratulations, you now work for a bank who lets you play with their gear, for a fee.


    The most important thing of all is that you must understand Marketing and business (especially Marketing) or be prepared to hire somebody who does. A merely adequate photographer who is well marketed will almost always make a better living than a good photographer with no marketing and business skills. "Marketing" doesn't just mean buying an occasional ad, it covers everything from client relation skills, networking and word of mouth through to the many forms of paid advertising. You must know how to keep the work coming in and how to build a good reputation. Hard to built but easy to lose if you upset someone, however accidentally. This is more true than ever. People will rarely queue up to buy - no matter what the product - you must learn how to sell, week after week after week. That means staying up to date with what the market wants, or - even better - what it can be persuaded to want.


    I don't think that professional photography is dead, it's just being re-incarnated at a faster rate than we're used to.


    Cheers and good luck,

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    Chris, the only quality you overlooked is "luck" or "good fortune". These elements are almost crucial to success and usually come from well honed business skills, networking and good sales techniques. So often you see people work so hard with just average results. Simply being in the right place at the right time with the right people can pay high dividends so networking until it hurts, learning until you scream and selling until you drop will often dictate a comfortable second half of your career. With a little luck of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redgum View Post
    Chris, the only quality you overlooked is "luck" or "good fortune".
    True, it cannot be overlooked. But it can't be relied on either. Samuel Goldwyn (and many others) have been credited with the saying "The harder I work, the luckier I get"... There's a lot of truth in that.

    I think that the one of the biggest differences is that the 'lucky' ones recognise a lucky opportunity when they see it, whilst many people either don't spot it or won't grab it with both hands. It common enough to see a 'winner' who had a 'lucky break' but if you look closer you'll very often see a cluster of people round them who also had the chance but didn't seize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris C View Post
    I think that the one of the biggest differences is that the 'lucky' ones recognise a lucky opportunity when they see it, whilst many people either don't spot it or won't grab it with both hands.
    And then there are the ones that don't want to grab it. There are many reasons that someone would not take up an offer. I certainly would never want to become a 'celebrity'. People choose their own paths, and sometimes they do not want the path that others think they should have taken.

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    When it comes to photography as a business, my model for succeeding is two friends who have done just that.

    They started, only half a dozen years ago, with amateur gear and shot for fun. They joined a local club to get experience but were soon regular comp winners. When they started to lust after more expensive gear they bought a rather poorly run photography business that specialised in a certain sport. The idea was that it might pay for their hobby.

    Well it did that all right, and a lot more. They took their considerable skills at running a business and maintaining very good client relations (gained in a completely different field) and applied it to the new challenge. It's been very successful. They built it up, earned the purchase price back in quick time, and went upwards and onwards from there. They're good photographers for sure, but they're more than that, they're good at succeeding.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktas View Post
    And then there are the ones that don't want to grab it. There are many reasons that someone would not take up an offer. I certainly would never want to become a 'celebrity'. People choose their own paths, and sometimes they do not want the path that others think they should have taken.
    Absolutely. I also have a strong opposition to being a 'celebrity' - in fact I'm famous for it... . So to speak...

    I certainly don't want to be 'famous' but I do want to succeed, on my own terms, at whatever I set myself. But if some people prefer to stroll quietly along in the shadows and take what comes along that's fine too. I like to go for it. So far it's given me a very interesting life. The first 65 years anyway.

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    The first 65 years anyway.
    And there will be a lot of luck to get the second. Celebrity and good fortune (luck if you like) are two different things.
    The first half of my life was managing banks, the second television and photography. The second career almost entirely dependent on the first because management skills are essential in business, creative skills are developed. When you have both, good fortune follows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kym View Post
    http://laurencekim.com/2011/04/28/th...merican-dream/

    It's a hard reality article, which makes you think about some serious life issues.
    More akin to a well written business bible. Could do well by putting this link up as a "sticky".

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    Was great help in making some things more clear to me. thanx
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    Like the quote - you have to be good! really sums it up!

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    thank you riktas, this sticky has been very helpful, it gave me a good insight into what is needed into turning my hobby into a money making hobby instead of the other way around.

    Still lots of research to be done and lots of improving in photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanislasphotography View Post
    thank you riktas, this sticky has been very helpful, it gave me a good insight into what is needed into turning my hobby into a money making hobby instead of the other way around.

    Still lots of research to be done and lots of improving in photography.
    As you have chosen an experience level of beginner, I think you should forget about starting a business for at least 3-4 years. Get your skills and experience up as a photographer, do a course in small business, do a marketing course, do an accounting course (MYOB for example), and then in 3-4 years time if you have done all of those AND have good photography skills, then revisit the idea of turning your enjoyable hobby into a business. Doing it before that and you will more than likely fail.

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    Good logical comment - thanx
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