Fair Price ? Whats concidered Fair Price

[Roosta]

Re the OP. I don't think you are ready to start charging for your images mate. Especially not images from a workshop! If you want to start a business (and there is a hell of a lot of research in the real world you should be doing before making the leap there) I suggest you go down the TFP route to build your portfolio. After all, that is what everyone else does.

Sorry, What does TFP and OP mean?

This is why i'm asking some general thoughts and ideas (good and bad) that AP members have had/experienced with starting and or running a business. I can understand some of what your stating to a business model, but I believe, if we where all put of by a little hard work, we'd not have the people producing what their producing today. In another thread (http://www.ausphotography.net.au/for...ou-get-started) Redgum makes some very valid points, "Back in the day stuff" I understand that tax laws, ideoligy, business cases and the like have moved on leaps and bounds.

[Roosta]

I personally wouldn't be comfortable selling images created within the environment you have described. I also wouldn't use them in a portfolio. If you've been advised, helped, guided and critiqued during a shoot, you can't really claim 100% technical or creative ownership.

I think any prospective client has to right to expect anything they see in a photographers portfolio has been directed, captured and edited by said photographer.

I agree, I wasn't looking to SELL the firast lot of shots I took, only to use as a base point to start with. I wouldn't expect to take credit for something that I didn't do completly myself.

[ricktas]

Sorry, What does TFP and OP mean?

This is why i'm asking some general thoughts and ideas (good and bad) that AP members have had/experienced with starting and or running a business. I can understand some of what your stating to a business model, but I believe, if we where all put of by a little hard work, we'd not have the people producing what their producing today. In another thread (http://www.ausphotography.net.au/for...ou-get-started) Redgum makes some very valid points, "Back in the day stuff" I understand that tax laws, ideoligy, business cases and the like have moved on leaps and bounds.

OP Means Original Poster. ie the person who started the thread (now called thread starter in vbulletin4). TFP means Time For Prints. It is a recognised contractual method that benefits bot the photographer and the model. The photographer gets experience at photographing models, in turn the model gives her time for free, with the agreement that the photographer provide her some prints for her portfolio. Sometimes in recent years it is referred to as TFCD (or other nomenclature), cause the images are supplied on CD rather than actual prints. If doing TFP, it is worthwhile have a contract written and signed by all parties, that states exactly how and when the images can be used. IE, the model can use them for her/his portfolio, but cannot sell them etc. You should be able to find a good TFP contract on the net using google

[Roosta]

Well, Didn't expect to get this sort of input. My original question was generically worded, and not meant to upset the people making a living out of taking pictures, whether they are making a good living or simpling exsisting.

I thank you for the feedback, I'm mearly playing with the idea that was put to me. The model in question has just returned from overseas and looking to start a bio of herself, I was in discussion with her, I don't class myself as anything more than a rank amature at this, which to me as my wife puts it (a artful expression, from someone who says no artful bones in their body). That said, I felt well, if I can make a few dollars from my hobby (artful expression) why not. So, if I say charge her $100.00 for half a day, I feel thats a good out come, due to time taken to shoot, PP and re PP if requied to get her desired result. It may have benefeted both of us. (I'm not touching what pro togs can/do/might charge)

I was trying to get to the point of, whether I could/should charge for my time, or whether I should use it as a learning curve. I don't intend to start a studio business up (farquar, not sure as to your business adventures, but we've obviously struck a cord, maybe you could shed some light as to what works for you, if you indeed run a photographic venture, thats entirely your choice)

And thanks Rick for some General advice on one of many business case's available. My intention wasn't to have a person with qualifications set up and run something in the way of a business plan, over a forum, but atleast we seem to be using the forum, as it should, healthy discussion.

I hope this clears some points up.

I didn't and wont take offence to someone offering their opion, thats what i'd asked for. So thanks for some good advice. Will submit some pics and see what the wider AP communities take is on them, and run from their.

[Roosta]

OP Means Original Poster. ie the person who started the thread (now called thread starter in vbulletin4).
TFP means Time For Prints. Sometimes in recent years it is referred to as TFCD (or other nomenclature), cause the images are supplied on CD rather than actual prints. If doing TFP, it is worthwhile have a contract written and signed by all parties, that states exactly how and when the images can be used. IE, the model can use them for her/his portfolio, but cannot sell them etc. You should be able to find a good TFP contract on the net using google

Right'o, that helps heaps Rick, understand where you're coming from. The CD idea sounds like agood idea, and I see I could have been looking into this in a selfish way, not taking the models time into account. That wasn't my intention, so thanks for clearing that up. Will discuss the ideas with her and she how see feels about it.


P.S, I need to get a book on all the Abrev's, I thought the millatary was bad for them, may need to have a page dedicated to them, so the not so uptodate people can get their heads around them.

[reflect]

Winning lotto does sound easier!!

[skunky]

Well this has certainly been a most informational thread.

For those looking to learn a little more about what a TFP contract is, along with a couple of examples:

What's TFP?
TFP Contract Example 1
TFP Contract Example 2
A thread on model releases from this forum

[True Colours]

I have recently been asked to provide a photo that I took and they want to put it into a book that will be released sometime in August 2015. I have been offered $50.00 plus accreditation plus two copies of the book. What is the going rate for this type of request?

[ricktas]

I have recently been asked to provide a photo that I took and they want to put it into a book that will be released sometime in August 2015. I have been offered $50.00 plus accreditation plus two copies of the book. What is the going rate for this type of request?

It depends. What is the book about and what is it's market? If for example it is going on the cover of the next book from 50 Shades of Grey, you could command a good price, but if is the upper combucta ladies winter festival of the cabbage, with a possible distribution of 100-200 copies, then take your $50 and run.

It is not as simple as how much is it worth to me to give my photo over for a book.

[Mark L]

I have recently been asked to provide a photo that I took and they want to put it into a book that will be released sometime in August 2015. I have been offered $50.00 plus accreditation plus two copies of the book. What is the going rate for this type of request?

You need to ask them for at least six copies of the book.

[Redgum]

Bit late I guess but if you want to know how to run a business (any sort) simply go to your local bankruptcy court and have a good read of those in your industry that failed. It appears people are most truthful when they are trying to get out of paying bills. And judges are meticulous with the recording of events. If time is short simply read of those businesses with less than five years service.
Believe me, the reasons for failure are very common (often mentioned here) and you stand a better chance of surviving if you understand the "real" pitfalls.