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I'd be tempted to look at the 7D and 15-85, given that Nikon has just announced the D7000, I expect that Canon won't be able to resist dropping prices to compete and the fact that the dollar is up.
I think there's too much emphasis given to high end glass, I had an 18-200 Canon lens and a Sigma 17-70 before getting my L series stuff, both were decent lenses and not that expensive.
Last edited by phild; 16-09-2010 at 9:39pm.
It's time for the OP to come back in with some more info. Where are you, colormeter? We need answers to posts 18 and 19.
How are you using your kit?
Where are you noticing deficiencies to your needs? Camera? Lens? Which lens?
Or have you just got money burning a hole in your pocket?
These are the exact lenses I started out with when I had my 300d! It's a great kit, but once you start getting a taste for good glass....Originally Posted by colormeter
If the 400d still does everything you want (ie. print size, noise levels, speed etc) then go ahead and get some glass. Getting a new lens, I think, is even better than getting a new camera. It opens up shooting opportunities you never had before.
Here's a quick run down of how I upgraded:
- Canon 10-22mm. If you like taking landscapes, party photos, sun sets, architecture... I bought this one when I was contemplating buying a new camera. Best choice I ever made.
- Canon 28-70mm 2.8L. Was given this as payment for a job by a photographer mate. Would never have bought something like this otherwise. A real eye opener for me as I'd never had L quality before. Too heavy and large for a walk around, but I did it anyway for the quality.
- Upgraded to 30d. Because 300d limitations were getting to be too much.
- Canon 70-200mm f4 IS L. Best lens in my bag. The difference between the 75-300 and the 7-200 is astounding. No more blurry telephoto shots.
- Canon 35mm f2. Because I wanted something small and light for holidays. With the 30d it can almost fit in my wife's hand bag.
- 7d + Tamron 17-50mm f2.8. Just took delivery of this today. 7d is good, but I was really more excited about the lens. Finally, a walk around telephoto that doesn't weigh a tonne.
I never had much money to spend on gear (except for body purchase), so it took me quite a few years to get to where I am now.
$2500 is quite a bit. My 7d purchase (with lens) was below $2000. $2500 would go a long way towards lenses and/or a body on the grey market (50d is below $850 now!!). It really depends on how you shoot and what you're looking to do with your kit. And remember you'll be getting some of you money back when selling your current equipment.
I would personally make better lenses my priority, and upgrade the body later. Good quality lenses (eg L series) will last you a lifetime. Eg for $2500, you could probably get something like what I did when I used my 300D, ie 24-105L f/4 & 70-200L f/4, and there is a world of difference between these and kit lenses. Only after I had these and my 50/1.8 did I upgrade the body.
Yes, the newer bodies will outperform at higher ISO, but how often are you shooting in such conditions?
Canon 5DmkII + stuff
Set your budget - buy the good glass for what you need and then upgrade the camera later - I used a 70-200 f2.8 on my 400D (and still do) to great success. What money's left over will determine you camera purchase but a 50D is good value at the moment as its being replaced - but wait to long and it won't be available...
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Hi everybody
thanks for reply.
I am back.
i have read all replies and many atricles/discussions on other forums as well.
Now I realise that lens upgrade is better choice.But I will be upgarding to 550D also. I will be buying glass instead of spending on 7D.
reasons for upgarding to 550D
1. better sensor with gapless tech
2. better IQ at high ISO
3. HD video
4. Better battery
upto this point even I did not knew exactly what I am interested in shooting.
now after analyzing some of photos, I think I like to shoot in order of preferences
1. landscapes
2. architecture
3. flowers
4. Fast objects (moving machines, birds, kids) [not good at this. I am learning ]
lens i am considering
1. Canon EF 24-70mm F2.8L USM Autofocus Lens
2. Canon EF 16-35mm II USM L F2.8 Autofocus Lens or Canon EF-S 10-22mm F3.5-4.5 USM Autofocus Lens
sorry for late reply.
thanks for all the info. some wise man said "knowledge is power, it helps to make better decision" and I am getting all the info from here to make better decision for my interest and my money.
these days i am realising that photography as hobby is very expensive. I was also reading about studio lighting and watched some videos on youtube.
I realised that if photography has 100 steps to learn i am still in 1-5 steps.
long way to go.
no way would I waste my money on a 24-70 f2.8L on a crop body!! I love mine on my 5D which is full frame, but it makes absolutely no sense on a crop body. Get the 16-35mm for a tad more which will be a better range on a crop body, and if you decide to go to a 5D, it'll be an awesome super-wide angle
Canon stuff5Dmk1 w/ 24-70 f2.8L, Canon 5Dmk1 w/70-200f2.8L, 100mm f2.8 macro, 50mm f1.4, 580exII
Alienbees B800, Lumopro 160, Manfrotto 155XPROB w/ 498RC2, Lowepro ProRunner X450AW
Phew!
if you can get one that cheap, then yeah go for it, but i sold my 40D (8500 actuations) on ebay last week and it went for $700 (with free postage)I would suggest you to get a used 40D and a used good lens! I dont think 50D has a lot of advantages over the 40D and is still much more expensive.....
I got a mint condition 40D with under 4000 shutter actuation for $530.....
That saves money, you have a great body and a great lens and all is good.
I just upgraded form 20D to 40D. Aussome
Cheers,
Mirc
or you could buy a new 50D from dwi for $836 delivered
no contest IMO
wow, 700....yeah i was lucky, i bought it locally in canberra....i am really astonished that the 50d goes so cheap these days. anyway, 40d is great, as well for beginner who want to get into photography a bit more than using it in green square mode.....
Constructive criticism is most welcome!!!
Canon 40D, 100-300 5.6 L
Sigma 17-70
Manfrotto Tripod
actually it was someone from ACT who bought mine!
yep the 40D is a great camera for sure, guess that's why they are very popular on ebay still, though they should get cheaper when the 60D gets a move on.
it's just a pitty that for the people with 40 and 50D's, you've got to jump up to the 7D if you want to update in the future (as the 60D is of course a step sideways...)
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How to check shutter actuations?
Not my standard answer but I would say it depends on what you mean by better glass.
If you are going for say the great 10-22 or maybe a Tamron 17-50/28-75 2.8 which are fine steps up then they still suit the 400D but if you are looking your next major lenses being the L series ones then I think they are not well balanced on the small rebels but that is just my view. BTW I rarely take the 24-70L off my camera but it is a 5D and if you buy one be warned you will have gone full frame within a few months
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Gear - Canon 5D, 40D, 10-22, 24-70 2.8L, 200 2.8L, 50 1.8, 430EXII
there's a program i think you can use to check.
otherwise you can look at the numbering of the photos, but only if its your own camera and you konw how many times (if any) it has ticked over 10,000 shots, and whether or not you reset the counter manually at any time...
i never reset my numbering and it didn't tick over 10,000 and reset, hence i knew that the number of the next shot was the nuber of actuations or shots taken.
going by the card numbering is also complicated if you have switched cards between bodies. I had my 40D from near-new and racked it up to about 9600 on the card numbering, then put the same card in my 5D which continued from 9600 upwards. I know roughly how many actuations i'm up to but to be sure there is a program like you say that should be able to check. Some cameras also record this number in the EXIF details
oh yeah you're right, i just checked my library of shots, turns out my numbering went from 400 to 9000 at one stage (from putting a card in from a different camera), then from 3000 back to zero at another stage (not sure what i did there)
Hmmm i think i told a fib in my ebay ad
ahh well 8500 vs 1100, close enough.
Offside: I will quote what I said about the Canon XXD series in some previous thread...
"The Canon XXD series peaked at 40D, crashed at 50D and burned at 60D" Canon killed it.
Now about your choices, I would say the 400D is still a capable camera.
Buy a great lens.
My personal suggestion to you: Canon EOS EF 16-35mm f2.8
It will work on Full Frame should you decide to move to FF.
It will work gorgeous on your 400D.
My 17-35mm f2.8 is now over 14 years old. It has seen 3 camera upgrades.
A good lens lasts.
A good camera lasts 18-36 months... (until the next model)
Last edited by RaoulIsidro; 23-09-2010 at 12:09am.
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Just one thing I'm not too sure of with the 50D. Everyone always says how much of a failure it was, but was it actually a backwards step to the 40D? I'm planning on selling my 40D and getting the 50D for almost the same price. The major thing being lens micro adjustments. This is something that is important to me. Also, the higher resolution screen would be very handy for focus stacking with liveliew.
BUt I know that based on image quality alone, there is really no need to upgrade, but the 50D never lost any features, did it?
The 60D on the other hand, the 60D can get the heck out!
Maybe I am missing something here ??
The salesman in me loves these sorts of threads, Colourmeter, what real benefit do you get going from a 400D to a 550D ?? Yeah you get video, big deal.
You are just putting commission in some salesman's pocket, you will be back here in no time asking whether you should upgrade your body because "even though I bought a 550D (which is not that different to a 400D) I am still not getting what I wanted."
Do yourself a favour, no seriously, do yourself a favour, and if you are going to upgrade bodies make it a worthwhile upgrade in the first place.
Get yourself a 60D body only, have you looked at the street price compared to a 550D
I have done the hard work for you
http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod1840.htm - 550D - $1139.00
http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod2471.htm - 60D - $1499.00
Don't listen to the knockers, I will bet not one of them has actually had a chance to try one for themselves, whilst a variation from the traditional xxD series the 60D is still a serious unit, handles noise exceptionally well up to 6400 iso,
Seriously do not through good money after bad, think about where you want to go and the most economical way to get there long term.
Possibly the best photo gear advice ever.
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Hi
I had planned to go 550D body upgrade but 7D was also in back of my mind. I went to camerahouse and had play with both 7D and 550D. As i already have 400D so there was not big difference in handling of 550D but when I held 7D in my hand it felt great in my hands.
now i have planned to buy 7d only.
for lens i had come down to two choices
1. EF S 15-85mm (have read good reviews about it). approx $1000
2. 24-70 mm f/2.8L approx $1900
as there is huge price difference, I will be going with 15-85 at the moment.
I will upgrade lens next year to L series as i have set limit on budget to max at $3000 per year on photography related purchases.
Do you think I should wait for Christmas offers?
i have seen good offers on point and shoot in the past but don't remember about dslr promotions.
thanks everybody for replies.
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