Opportunity :::

[bigdazzler]

Just had an enquiry for a job, asking for a quote for a 2-day shoot in the Sydney CBD, photographing buses and the advertising that is on display in the windows/rear windscreens etc ... No further info so far.

Basically hanging around bus stops and streets photographing buses from the sounds of it Im a little perplexed at what the actual brief is and what they are after to be honest, but of course ill be seeking out all that info plus more before I agree to do it. And further, are there any issues with photographing other peoples/companies advertising, particularly if the client wants to use these images commercially ? (I dont know yet what they want the pictures for )

Anyways ... they are asking for 2 days worth of shooting (unsure of how many hours per day yet) and unlimited usage rights to the photos.

I was thinking I would quote an hourly rate for the shooting + a one-off fee for usage. Sound about right ?? If so, what ballpark figure should I be looking at for the usage rights to the pictures ?? I have no real idea what those photos would be worth, and what is a fair price to ask for relinquishing the photos for unlimited use ? Help appreciated. Thankyou

[kiwi]

Pass - but, if me id charge $1000 per 7.5 hour day + expenses and they get the images for unlimited useage with you retaining copyright

[bigdazzler]

Im not really excited by it either mate .. but if they come back with dates that happen to be on my days off Ill consider it for a bit of pocket money. Ill take just about anything with a wedding and a month in Europe coming up

Thats pretty well along the lines I was thinking $$$ wise .... so youd factor in the usage license into the day rate ??

[Steve Axford]

Er - why do you want to retain the copyright?

[bigdazzler]

Im not sure if youre responding to me or kiwi Steve .... So youre suggesting to charge a per hour/day rate, factor in the © to the digital files, and be done with it ?? Im OK with that too .. Im not overly fussed about retaining © on pictures of buses. I was just trying to get a feel of how others would approach it.

[kiwi]

I dunno really Steve, sounds good tho, lol

[Steve Axford]

Take the money and run - if you can get it. It may be quite good practice and very low stress.

[Wayne]

Wanting unlimited use rights, suggests they may be going to on-sell them. I would seek to retain © and if only charging the $1K per day, include the clause that they cannot sell the images.

[bigdazzler]

Absolutely Wayne, that will be my first question when I discuss it further. That was kinda what I was alluding to in the OP .. If the client wants me to relinquish © entirely, what is a fair and reasonable price for them to pay me for the privilege ??

How bout an agreement like shooting time + unlimited usage for the paying client only + photographer retains ©, and images cannot be sold = $xxxxx per hour/per day.

If they want full ownership, Ill double it

[jasevk]

Grand a day sounds good, could even bump it up a little for unlimited use.... Sounds like a reasonably easy cash grab daz

[Wayne]

How bout an agreement like shooting time + unlimited usage for the paying client only + photographer retains ©, and images cannot be sold = $xxxxx per hour/per day.

If they want full ownership, Ill double it

I like your maths!

[jasevk]

I wouldn't see ant issue photographing advertising on a bus, how many cityscapes do you see with signage and ads in them.... I may be wrong - I have been many times before lol

Maybe they aren't even going to use the images for anything other than some kind of research???

[bigdazzler]

yea im not quite sure at this stage jase ... ill need to sit tight and get some more info off them, hopefully tomorrow.

[Fantasyphoto]

Cop "Excuse me sir, what are you doing?"

Dazzler "Photographing buses for $1,000 a day"

Cop "Right you are, would you like to come with me, I have some friends who would like a chat with you"

Dazzler "Where are we going?"

Cop "To a nice large building where they will give you a white coat that fastens from behind"

Lucky you getting to photograph something that moves, I get to photograph buildings and everyone is surprised because the images are sharp.... much sharper than using the phone.

[bigdazzler]

Cop "Excuse me sir, what are you doing?"

Dazzler "Photographing buses for $1,000 a day"

Cop "Right you are, would you like to come with me, I have some friends who would like a chat with you"

Dazzler "Where are we going?"

Cop "To a nice large building where they will give you a white coat that fastens from behind"

Dazzler "Ohhhh hang on heres comes a bus ... just let me pan it and then ill go quietly"



It is a strange request isnt it ... Im curious to find out more.

[Fantasyphoto]

Perhaps the gig comes with it's own camera mounted in a Ford Territory.

[dbax]

wish I was still living in Sydney....no no I didnt say that ...slap

[bigdazzler]

Perhaps the gig comes with it's own camera mounted in a Ford Territory.

mmmm ... dont get me started on that mate

[Redgum]

Hate to spoil a good gig but who owns the rights to the ads on the back of the bus?
Looks like photographers in Sydney are expendable.
And you can't access Aus Photography from Long Bay either.

[Steve Axford]

Hard to see how there'd be a problem if you didn't have the copyright.