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    Camera Breakdowns Of DSLRs

    The amount of breakdowns involving modern DSLRs, specifically the shutter and reflex mirror box, made me realize that inspite of modern marketing mayhem involving more Megapixels, more FPSs, more ISO thresholds, more features etc… these camera manufacturers have failed to develop further the number one bread and butter of a DSLR: The Shutter Mechanism.
    The shutter mechanism and reflex mirror box of any DSLR is the most run down component of the camera. It is also the number one cause of failure due to common usage, apart from external damage caused by liquids or physical shock.
    I recall these shutter breakdowns never occured during the film era on SLRs.
    It was then that I answered my own question:
    Film SLRs flick the shutter only 24 to 36 times per roll…
    Digital SLRs flick the shutter about 1,000 times on a good day of shooting.
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    Ummm. what number of breakdowns? I personally know of one photographer who had one camera with a shutter issue. And I know a lot of photographers. This is not the ones on AP, just the ones I personally know.

    As for flicking the shutter 1000 times on a good day, that depends on genre. I often can go out for hour and come back with less than 100 photos, sometimes only 30 or so.

    I think you might be creating an issue re shutter failure that isn't really an issue.
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    This site has some statistics on shutter failures which you might be interested in. Not what I would call comprehesive data but interestign nonetheless.

    http://olegkikin.com/shutterlife/
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    +1 to Rick's comment about genere. Birding & Sport - '000s in a day, landscape not so many.

    @Gerry - Thanks! Interesting but I think not statistically sound.
    Oleg's number are very skewed as its based on people reporting - mainly those that have had a failure - people without issues are less likely to care or post.
    The ONLY numbers that matter are hidden by manufacturers - i.e. number of bodies sold vs # of actuations upon repair.

    @Raoul - Again you post about gear and issues with little image posting (per my recent message),
    I suggest you focus on photography not gear!
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    If you posed the question of who has suffered a shutter failure and who hasn't, the majority would be the latter.
    The reason you hear about it is that the squeaky wheel makes the most noise.

    When was the last time you heard someone complaining that their shutter hasn't died?

    It's simple. Mechanical parts wear out. They don't have an infinite life.
    Even people who baby their gear have shutter failures.

    It's a non issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Error99 View Post
    If you posed the question of who has suffered a shutter failure and who hasn't, the majority would be the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktas View Post
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    Thanks, Rick! Great to have that poll... to have a gauge on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kym View Post
    +1 to Rick's comment about genere. Birding & Sport - '000s in a day, landscape not so many.

    @Gerry - Thanks! Interesting but I think not statistically sound.
    Oleg's number are very skewed as its based on people reporting - mainly those that have had a failure - people without issues are less likely to care or post.
    The ONLY numbers that matter are hidden by manufacturers - i.e. number of bodies sold vs # of actuations upon repair.

    @Raoul - Again you post about gear and issues with little image posting (per my recent message),
    I suggest you focus on photography not gear!
    I did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaoulIsidro View Post
    Thanks, Rick! Great to have that poll... to have a gauge on the issue.
    Interesting, but statistically meaningless and therefore useless in understanding the (non) issue.

    Eg. if you had a failure on a 3 year old body that had done 120,000 shots you really could not complain.
    The only people with meaningful data are the manufacturers via warranty and repairs.

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    I have several FT sport shooters, many of them go through one or two blown shutters a year, just the cost of doing business

    I expect mine will go within a couple of years

    I expect to pay up to $1000 to get a replacement or thereabouts
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    I have several FT sport shooters, many of them go through one or two blown shutters a year, just the cost of doing business
    I expect mine will go within a couple of years
    I expect to pay up to $1000 to get a replacement or thereabouts
    What sort of actuation count do they get per failure?
    That's the important question.

    Does it meet or exceed the manufacturers shutter life expectancy?
    eg. If a camera is rated at 100,000 and you got 120,000 then bonus, but if you only got 20,000 you would be not happy

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    I've never had a shutter failure and don't personally know anybody who has.

    Then again, I might do around 10,000 actuations per year, so 100,000 actuations as the design life of a shutter mechanism won't get any complaints from me!
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    I voted yes.
    Personally I've done two, however they were both above the median number listed by Canon for those models.
    I personally know several others who have done shutters as well, but all have been through being well used and just worn out as opposed to being a "failure"

    To me a failure is when a shutter goes to heaven after minimal use, lets say less than 50k.
    Anything greater than that in my book and it's been well used.
    The problem is that it's not simply a case of comparing apples with apples because it depends on the model of the camera
    A 1D MkIV will have a greater life expectancy than a 350d.
    Would I be happy if my 1D MkIV died at 50K? Probably not, but I think I'd be relatively happy if I had a 350d (which I believe has a mean shutter life of about 80k) that let go at 50k.

    Even though I've done two shutters, I still think it's a non issue.
    As someone posted above, it's simply a cost that comes from taking lots of images.
    Every action has an equal and opposite reaction

    Edited to correct typo's - sorry
    Should proof read better before posting
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    It's probably only noticable as 'hobbyists' are actually reaching those shutter life limits on digital were they would have been nowhere near them on film.

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    The only people I have known to kill shutters have taken more shots (well more actually) than the shutter was rated for by the manufacturer.

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    People are more likely to upgrade their camera body than it is to blow a shutter.

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    Depends, Id be "happy" to spend $1000 on my D3 to have it live for three more years or so, I dont feel a compelling desire or need for the D3s at $6000 or the D4 at $8000

    To answer you Kym, its luck of the draw, some have blown <50000, some over 300,000. Average is well above the "rated" shutter actuactions Id say

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    Depends, Id be "happy" to spend $1000 on my D3 to have it live for three more years or so, I dont feel a compelling desire or need for the D3s at $6000 or the D4 at $8000

    To answer you Kym, its luck of the draw, some have blown <50000, some over 300,000. Average is well above the "rated" shutter actuactions Id say

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    Yeah I agree 100%.
    May be I should have clarified it.
    I probably should have posted "The average user/hobbyist is more likely to upgrade before the shutter blows

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    hm, never heard of such issues b4...

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    I agree with the person who said most people will upgrade long before a shutter issue arrises.
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