The difference of cheap and expensive cameras?

[bigdazzler]

Don't get caught up being a gear head, the photographer is much more important

if only you followed your own advice Paulie ....

[OzzieTraveller]

G'day all

My 2-bob's worth to this debate ~ see my signature line ...
Regards, Phil

[kiwi]

Please .... that could be the most ridiculous thing ive read on here in a while. Whilst I agree with you that the photographers skills are absolutely the most important factor in good photography, to suggest an iphone camera will produce the quality of a high resolution DSLR is ludicrous mate.

I dont doubt the work hes producing from his iphone is impressive, but I highly doubt the images themselves would compare with that a skilled photographer using a DSLR of any kind.

To the OP ... what kiwi said ^^^^ 1. togs skills 2. lens 3. body , as a general rule.

Seen chase Jarvis's iPhone photo book ?


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[bigdazzler]

Seen chase Jarvis's iPhone photo book ?


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yep .. all very artistic and all that and looks great in lo res on the web (even the super blurry ones), but that wasnt really the point of my post

[kiwi]

yep .. all very artistic and all that and looks great in lo res on the web, but that wasnt really the point of my post

It's more than the web, it's s published book. Iq is crap tho, lol

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[bigdazzler]

yea I just meant Ive only seen the web version, havent seen the book ... The pictures are great, but at the end of the day it is only an iphone. The ones taken in low light, are I suppose you could say, creatively "grainy"

[Lili]

Well this thread has certainly given me a lot to think about. I'm only just looking to get into dSLR photography, I don't currently have a camera and had fallen hard in love with the Pentax K7, but I'm thinking now it might be wiser to get a more basic second hand body, try and find some nice lenses and see what I can do with that first...

Thanks for asking the question George

[Kym]

An aspect that some people forget ... physics!
And the number one control of the physics of light is the lens.

Yes, you need someone with skill to make use of good glass and a good camera,
but that skilled person can do much more with good gear than they can with an iPhone.
They (the skilled person) may also be able to do more with an iPhone than a complete beginner
with a DSLR with everything.

Back to basic physics/optics...
The size of the lens (diameter of the objective) is critical to the ability to gather light.
The quality of the lens and coatings have a huge bearing on image quality.
Why does the diameter of the lens/mirror of a telescope matter so much?
It's all about gathering light!
Hence a 500/4 costs a bomb

@Lili ... There is lots of great glass to go with a Pentax K-7 or even a 2nd hand K200D, K20D, K10 and so forth.
Not to mention the K-x as a budget body.

[quangsta]

alot of people even including myself believe the order of importance is the shooter, lens and then the body. but thats not to say that an upgrade to a newer 'better' camera body wont help.

i went from a d50 to a d700 which is extreme but it made a huge difference.

honestly though there are so many factors for different situations to make your photos better, so think about what you shoot most and buy accordingly. i like to shoot alot of candid and portrait type of shots mainly indoor, so i brought a fast lens and a flash. if i was to shoot landscape i would probably invest in a tripod and good wide angle. so many more combinations but with anything its only as good as the weakest link.

[mikew09]

I can defiantly say the noice control is far better on the 40D than the 400D, not sure how it rates agains the 1000D. I can say one thing though, when I bolted my L onto my mate 50D it took the lens to another hole new level. Have to agree a lot is within the glass, but the camera (I' taking Canon) will have some ration of effect.

[etherial]

For a lot of people and particularly beginners the only difference between a cheap and expensive camera is the price.

[georgegowan]

Well, It's 5 months later now and I've upgraded from the 1000D to a 50D. I can say it has a better range between highlights and lowlights and a lot less noise in photos. I also noticed the 1000D had some weird problems with keeping detail in reds and oranges - especially in clouds at sunset. Haven't had a chance to compare the 50D in that situation yet, but I'm VERY happy I upgraded

[crafty1tutu]

I agree about it being the person first, then the lens and then the body as I have seen wonderful photos taken with a 350D entry level camera. But on the other hand after replacing my 400D with a 50D, the difference in the photos was amazing, especially with noise.

[ricktas]

Well, It's 5 months later now and I've upgraded from the 1000D to a 50D. I can say it has a better range between highlights and lowlights and a lot less noise in photos. I also noticed the 1000D had some weird problems with keeping detail in reds and oranges - especially in clouds at sunset. Haven't had a chance to compare the 50D in that situation yet, but I'm VERY happy I upgraded

And there you go. The fact you understand the differences and noise and how it affects your photos shows that you learnt a lot from having the 1000D. You would also have acquired some creativity along the way, including an understanding of composition etc. Many people will buy a consumer level DSLR and never understand anything about highlights etc, it is only those that want to progress their photography and learn the limitations of their gear and how it affects the photos that will 'see' what you have done.

Upgrading is only worthwhile when there is a reason and understanding of what the upgrade will do to improve ones photography, that is caused by the restrictions and limitations of the current gear.