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Hey guys, before you start throwing the word unprofessional around - its a voluntary thing !
Seriously, people like Ken should be applauded not labelled as unprofessional. Good grief. Its efforts by those prepared to stand up, spend some of their own time, and their own money to make these things happen, and they will benefit everyone interested in photography.
Perhaps put your hand up and throw in your support. If someone wants to help finish the site - by all means put your efforts to good use, and volunteer some assistance.
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Well as I'm one of those who tend to be pedantic, you actually said this:
However, I do empathise with the tone of your comment.
Anyway to answer your question - Arts Freedom consists of a board, and they are Ken Duncan, Glen McKimmin, David Simmonds, Nick Rains, and Bruce Pottinger
No the cause is not dropped - its one of those things that goes on continually.
I would be the first to say that its a shame that the website is not up to date, and that updated information on just how often he and his group try to lobby federal and state governments. But I for one am grateful for someone to shout out about this topic.
I was serious though, if someone would like to offer some assistance to Ken to update that website and make it easy to update in the future, I would be happy to pass the offer on to him.
Last edited by Longshots; 17-04-2010 at 4:37pm.
Longshots, this suggest you know something about it. Clarify the situation for us.I Read the intervening post.
I do think it is unprofessional to get people fired up and then leave it dead for 2 years. You take it on, you follow it through or you close it down.
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Guys, the website hasnt been updated. The lobbying is still going on. The problems are getting worse. Yes I know something about it because I'm involved in various other issues. You all could be involved in producing something positive for the photographic industry as well. And yes, a good friend and colleague is Nick Rains, who spends a great deal of his time trying to do the right thing. Seems most of the comments have all been negative about the website as opposed to acknowledging that there are concerned people prepared to do something that benefits everyone.
And regarding the comment crossed out - to ensure I posted correct information, I gathered the information about who is involved in this from the website that you're all concerned about.
Come on people, try and look at the actual issue as opposed to griping about a website thats not had an update for a while.
Good god my website badly needs an update, doesnt mean to say I've stopped working
And why havent I got around to it ? Because I care about issues that effect the photographic community and place a great deal of effort into particular issues like fairness in photographic competitions. Why not look on the bright side and look at the information that can be gained from the website. I dont blame people sometimes for asking why so few people are prepared to stand up for particular issues that concern all in the photographic community.
Last edited by Longshots; 18-04-2010 at 11:11am.
I think the issues that are raised are very worrying - and part of a worldwide trend.
I looked at Arts Freedom site some 12 months ago, and then again last night and nothing has changed. I am really pleased your friends are continuing to work at the issues, but "publically" it looks like nothing is happening, and certainly legislation and attitudes don't seem any better. I realise that getting things done takes time and resources and some stuff just slips. However, in my experience, unless you pay for expensive lobbying, public silence does not get you far. Surely someone can find a few hours to at least fix the news on the front page to let the world know the state of play in Australia. I look at quite a few photogrphy/copyright/law websites elsewhere that have ongoing discussion and regular updates. But seems to be very little discussion in Australia.
It is difficult to acknowledge that there are concerned people doing things when their only public website is silent. It is great to hear that they are doing thing - but it shouldn't take your post on Ausphotography to achieve it. (Before you ask, it is not appropriate for me to stick my hand up and say I'll help - I have no legal training, am not a professional photographer and don't know anyone relevant, and my wife would kill me if I took on anything else anyway.)
Please take this as supportive feedback. I think as a group, we are quite apathetic about our freedoms being taken away and we don't do anything about it - it's great to see someone have a go. To some expect, my sour grapes are based on disappointment that there is not more apparent progress. But people who launch out to rectify this need to make it easier for people to follow the issues, join in and help.
If its of any help then, I will be passing the comments on
Thanks. I really support the aims of Arts Freedom and want them to at least get the issues talked about.
Thought I'd add in a new update on the Arts Freedom topic. New information gained from their new Facebook site - link is below:
"Photography in Australia is under attack and photographers are losing their rights to freedom of expression. If you feel you're being treated like a criminal, a predator or a terrorist, here's your chance to have your say.
Join Ken Duncan and some of Australia's leading photographers at this Arts Freedom Australia Protest Rally to demand fair access for all to iconic public locations like Sydney Harbour, Bondi Beach and Uluru.
Sunday, August 29th
Campbells Cove, Sydney Harbour
Come along with your camera and tripod to fight for our rights and demand an end to the growing number of unjust rules and regulations which are making our passion for photography increasingly difficult.
Whether you're a full-time or part-time professional or strictly amateur, this issue affects EVERYONE. More importantly, this rally is also for everyone who values visual imagery - not just photographers.
Please help us to spread the word of this extremely important event so it's a huge success.
For all enquiries phone (02) 4307 8409.
If we all raise our voices loud enough, we will be heard!"
Why would they start yet another site in the form of facebook (which has a terrible history towards photographers) when they have an existing site sitting "idle".
Don't get me wrong, I support their ideals --- but --- as far as disseminating information to the public to raise awareness they appear to be doing a thoroughly unprofessional job.
sigh - and I'm sighine because I'm simply spreading the word on this issue.
If you think its so unprofessional take it up with them.
Personally I know they're doing something which everyone interested in photography, will gain from, which is highly likely to be more than you're doing ?
Last edited by Longshots; 21-04-2010 at 9:22am.
As for taking it up with them as you so eloquently put it, attempting to communicate by that portal is fruitless and you are the one that has their direct ear.
The arts freedom site has probably had quite a few hits since the start of this thread, how many people had a look and went away due to a total lack of information.
To pull down a site or put it into 'archive' mode takes but 30 minutes.
Archive mode is were you add a banner or text that says:
where in this case 'here' is facebook.We are not maintaining this site, we feel we can better address the issues by ... bla bla ... please go 'here'
That way people know you still actually give a rats about the issue. That 30 minutes of effort pays big dividends.
On a broader note. Does AP care? you bet!
If we can help lobby etc. we will promote that to our members.
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Why is it cheap ?
Seriously, these people put their own energy and money into doing a great deal of work. Calling it unprofessional is simply not on.
I dont have their direct ear. I read Facebook, thats how I found out about it.
I come in and give you more information, which btw was more than anything else available and all you seem to have done is complain about it being unprofessional.
I see life in general as you get out of it what you put in. It doesnt take any effort to sit on the sidelines and jeer. Perhaps applaud those who are making some effort - like myself to fight and lobby large organisations in making the art of photography easier for everyone and not harder.
I dont have the energy to dispute your personal views, which of course you're welcome to. But if you think it was a cheap shot to ask what you're doing for the community, thats your affair not mine. It was a genuine question which I'll ask again, what are you doing ?
When you do have an opportunity to do something for everyone, and you've placed a large amount of personal effort, you'd understand that making the comment that something is unprofessional would quite easily be seen as far worse than a cheap shot.
Anyway, I'm quite sure that the majority of the members here would be far more interested in the opportunity of reading the information I've posted here on Arts Freedom, which is available to all if you do a google search, instead of counter productive arguments of your personal opinion on the level of what is professional.
As I said before Kym, seriously if you can help (as this isnt something I know about - and I'm pretty sure that the few who already spend a great deal of time lobbying Fed and State Govs, wouldnt know how to do something so simple), then please, I would be only too happy to pass on any offer of assistance.
That would be really helpful