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    70-200 f4 is / 70-200 2.8

    I am looking at my next purchase of a lens and I think I have narrowed it down to either of these two.

    I would use this lens for outside portraits of people and maybe some wildlife shots/zoo's etc. I would also use inside for portrait shots as well.

    What is the weight difference between the two? I know the F4 is light and I am thinking it might suit me, with IS for low light, but I am drawn to the 2.8. Both lenses are around the same price. Which would be better for low light shots? I have concluded the 2.8 IS is just way to expensive for me to buy - was my original choice.

    I am really interested in your thoughts and do realise it is ultimately my call, but would appreciate some for/against thoughts.
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    I would think that if low light is something you may be doing, the f4 is perhaps better than the non-IS f2.8.

    Even with one extra stop of light from the 2.8, shutter speeds may still be too low for sharp hand held in low light, where the f4 will probably give sharp shots 2-3 shutter speeds slower than the 2.8, which you would most notice at the long end of the zoom range.

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    I have the 70-200mm f4 and it is great but if low light is your think then faster is better. I have hand held the f4 @ 200s and seems OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisky_Mac View Post
    I have the 70-200mm f4 and it is great but if low light is your think then faster is better. I have hand held the f4 @ 200s and seems OK.
    she is talking about low light static work, such as portraits, faster aperture with no IS can be countered by 1 stop less of light with IS because -

    the F4 IS will beat the f2.8 for wayyyy better hand held shots, u can compensate for the extra stop of light by reducing the shutter speed to match - try getting a crisp sharp shot at 200mm at 1/30th or 1/20th with the f2.8 without bracing against a wall a wall or something......1 in 50 shots might make it.

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    Agree with jackie.

    I would buy the f4 IS. You wont be dissapointed with image quality.. Its light and easy to handheld. I use it all the time for outdoors. With the money you saving, buy a 85 f1.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisky_Mac View Post
    I have the 70-200mm f4 and it is great but if low light is your think then faster is better. I have hand held the f4 @ 200s and seems OK.
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    The F4 is sounding like a good option. The 2.8 I was thinking of is non IS by the way. I know both these lenses will give a good sharp image.

    Thanks so far for your input - it all helps when trying to decide.

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    As others have said, it really depends what you're planning on shooting, and whether handheld...

    Static things - f4 is
    Moving things - f2.8

    f4 IS is probably a bit sharper if you're a pixel peeper. You can always up the iso a bit as well.

    I used to own a 2.8 is which was great for shooting the tennis, but a bugger to carry around on a trip to morocco. I have since gone to a f4 is which is significantly lighter and more discreet. I plan on doing more travel than sports shooting, which is why I have changed.

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    Well, I have been speaking with my husband and he was surprised that I was even considering the F4. He felt I was settling for 2nd best. I have been bugging him about my next lens for about um ages - since I got my last lens.

    I have always wanted the F2.8 IS, but I was trying to be sensible as the Mk1 is just about gone and Mk2 is so expensive.

    I do love photography action type photography and this is reflected in my BIF shots of birds. So I am really not sure what to go for. I think deep down I want the 2.8 and I can live with weight issue.

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    I have the f/4 IS and I regret not buy the f/2.8 IS. I love shallow DOF and really wish I could open my f/4 up a little more. I say wait a little longer, keep saving and then get the f/2.8 IS. It sounds like you might also regret getting anything else.
    I love my f/4 IS but I'm gonna get the f/2.8 IS after I've collected a few other lenses that I don't already have

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    Hi Shelley,

    I have a non IS F4 and it really is a great lens.. Not so good for low light though...

    But remember... Especially doing portraits if you need to open up to 2.8 because of the light the DOF will be so tiny...

    For instance, if you were doing portraits as you suggest at 2.8, if you focussed on the nose for instance, the eyes would not be sharp, and vice versa.

    But with the F4 IS lens, you have a better DOF for such things, but cna slow th eshutter speed right down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlas View Post
    Hi Shelley,

    I have a non IS F4 and it really is a great lens.. Not so good for low light though...

    But remember... Especially doing portraits if you need to open up to 2.8 because of the light the DOF will be so tiny...

    For instance, if you were doing portraits as you suggest at 2.8, if you focussed on the nose for instance, the eyes would not be sharp, and vice versa.

    But with the F4 IS lens, you have a better DOF for such things, but cna slow th eshutter speed right down...
    Thanks for that point - if I go 2.8 now it would include the IS, but like you said the DOF is an issue. I have decided that I will get IS either on the F4 or 2.8 lens. Just trying to get my head around the cost of 2.8 IS.

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    Whether you will really carry around a lens the size of the 70-200 2.8 is a real consideration.

    It was the deciding factor for me and I was looking for the 70-200 f4 IS when I came across a 200 2.8L at a price I couldn't resist as it was not heavy, its very sharp and is relatively small. I may ultimately go for the 70-200 f4 IS for the versatility - so size was the determining factor - no point having it if you always leave it at home.

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    I had the 4.0 70-200mm and it was a beauty: light, versatile and rarely let me down in most light conditions. Now Julieanne has the 2.8 70-200mm and it feels heavier and more awkward hand held than the 4.0. Its going to be a tough call for you but if you can afford the 2.8 IS version you have the best available and can make the weight work hand held with practice I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattsgallery View Post
    Whether you will really carry around a lens the size of the 70-200 2.8 is a real consideration.

    It was the deciding factor for me and I was looking for the 70-200 f4 IS when I came across a 200 2.8L at a price I couldn't resist as it was not heavy, its very sharp and is relatively small. I may ultimately go for the 70-200 f4 IS for the versatility - so size was the determining factor - no point having it if you always leave it at home.

    Good luck
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    Thanks Josh. I did lug around the BIGMA birding for hours at a time - what got to me was that I didn't get sharp pics when hand held, needed lots of light (i like the option of hand held at times) and could not do BIF cause of slow focusing.

    I think the IS would solve the hand held issue (but, I would use tripod as required). So I don't think I would leave it at home because it was heavy, but you never know do you until you use it regularly.

    I haven't entirely dismissed the F4 IS, I have been reading reviews etc. I think I will need to go and hold them both - maybe even rent them if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelley View Post
    Thanks Josh. I did lug around the BIGMA birding for hours at a time - what got to me was that I didn't get sharp pics when hand held, needed lots of light (i like the option of hand held at times) and could not do BIF cause of slow focusing.

    I think the IS would solve the hand held issue (but, I would use tripod as required). So I don't think I would leave it at home because it was heavy, but you never know do you until you use it regularly.

    I haven't entirely dismissed the F4 IS, I have been reading reviews etc. I think I will need to go and hold them both - maybe even rent them if I can.
    You wouldn't be the first to rent and try before you buy: Ive done that before and it certainly fixed my mind on which one suited me pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    I had the 4.0 70-200mm and it was a beauty: light, versatile and rarely let me down in most light conditions. Now Julieanne has the 2.8 70-200mm and it feels heavier and more awkward hand held than the 4.0. Its going to be a tough call for you but if you can afford the 2.8 IS version you have the best available and can make the weight work hand held with practice I suppose.
    Hmm, hand held would be difficult you are saying - i definitely want the option to hand hold if required.

    You no longer have the F4 70-200?

    Its not easy - the obvious solution is to buy both - but I don't think Kelvin would let me somehow...

    I think I need to use the 2.8 IS before I buy or make a decision.

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    Hi, I have the f4IS and is it sharp as can be. You need to decide inside or outside.
    As you are wanting portraits then its the 2.8. You will get used to the weight .
    As the 2.8 mk 2 IS is coming on stock now there are a few more excellent mk1 versions to be had
    best of luck

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    I have the f/4 IS and have considered swapping over to the f/2.8 IS many times when I found one in good condition at a bargain price. Every time I stop myself for two main reasons - the weight would mean I would never carry it around and the difference in DOF between 2.8 and 4 is not that great. Remember it's only one stop difference - I find in low light conditions, one stop advantage is not enough anyway.

    The last time I considered was a couple days ago when I stopped myself from getting one off ebay for $1550 - I realised it would be too heavy to bring on my trip to Tasmania and so would just sit at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelley View Post
    Hmm, hand held would be difficult you are saying - i definitely want the option to hand hold if required.

    You no longer have the F4 70-200?

    Its not easy - the obvious solution is to buy both - but I don't think Kelvin would let me somehow...

    I think I need to use the 2.8 IS before I buy or make a decision.
    Im saying if you can handle a birding lens you can handle the 2.8 and I sold my 70-200mm under protest at the time....wish I still had it now.

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