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    best place for digital prints - local or online

    Help, I went and had some enlargements done yesterday at HN (hobart). 1xB&W, 1xcolour, 1xSepia. The B&W is horrid! The file on screen (my laptop, work computer and kiosk machine) shows B&W contrast as it should be.

    I picked up the print after work yesterday and it has a blue hue!! And colour one has it also but only noticable in part of the photo (if that makes sense). This is not the first time I have had problems with HN both city and northern suburbs. So you could say I am over it!

    Please can someone recommend a local store that is better or online store? I don't mind paying a bit more to get the print that is 'printed in correct colour tones'

    ps. Also I have my wedding photos to print and I don't want to waste money having to get reprints time and time again.

    pps. I hope I have put this post in right section.
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    Firstly are you using a calibrated monitor? PC monitors are notorious for being completely out of whack colour wise, and if they are, what you see on your screen will NOT be what gets printed. It is not generally the printers fault (though it can be), it is more the fact that your monitor is often not displaying the colours correctly, but you assume that they are.

    Having said that. HN are also notorious for not being good at accurate colour rendition as well.
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    Could also be that you are not looking at SRGB etc
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    www.digitalworks.net.au I had some shots printed last week...awesome.
    Finally got 400D + 18-55mm Kit lens + 50mm 1.8II

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    Could also be that you are not looking at SRGB etc
    My file in Adobe PS tells me (and after saving file) that it is a SRGB file. So this now presents another question after some research today, should I be saving my images colour profile as sRGB or Adobe RGB?

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    sRGB generally, but it is worth chatting to your printer about. If they act like they have no idea what you are talking about, find another printer.

    I would go to Midcity Camera World on the corner of Collins and Murray, take your files, and the prints from HN and show them the issue and have a chat. They can be really helpful.

    But in the meantime, you probably need to look at getting a calibration device like a colorvision syder etc, and calibrate your monitor(s). At least then you can be assured that what you see on your screen is set to a known standard, and it will ensure better results overall from your prints.

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    Thanks Rick. I will be in town tomorrow, so I will pay Midcity a visit. Just so frustrating. I also was looking into getting the colorvision spyder too at work today.

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    If you can, avoid Spyders like the plague. A better calibrator is the Xrite Eye One Display 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Raven~ View Post
    www.digitalworks.net.au I had some shots printed last week...awesome.
    yep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smorter View Post
    If you can, avoid Spyders like the plague. A better calibrator is the Xrite Eye One Display 2
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by smorter View Post
    If you can, avoid Spyders like the plague. A better calibrator is the Xrite Eye One Display 2
    That would have to be the most useless post ever on AP. If you are going to state that sort of rubbish, back it up with reasoning.

    I have a Spyder 3, and I know lots of other people who do as well, the spyder works very well, and the prints I (and others) get after calibrating are a damn good representation of what we see on screen, when you take into consideration the differences between reflected and transmitted light.

    The Spyder 3 has recently rated over all other calibrators in reviews.

    Yes there are different brands of calibrators and all work slightly differently, but in the end it is no different to choosing between Canon or Nikon.

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    http://www.ausphotography.net.au/for...ad.php?t=24290 Has a few links on monitor calibration. (Post on publishing)

    Before you buy a calibration unit you can calibrate manually. This is not perfect but better then not calibrating at all.
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    Rick, thank you, this is all new to me - callibration... so I am finding myself a little out of my depth.

    Kym, I will look at the link you have provided, thanks.

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    Calibration. It is done with a harware device that has a small spectometer in it. You load the software and then attach the device to your screen.

    Then it runs, what it does is display a range of colours on your screen, it reads those colours. The software knows exactly how a certain shade of red 'should' look, by reading your screen, it works out how different the shade of red on your screen is to how it should be..it then does this for blue and green as well (screens are made up of RGB pixels - hence sRGB, AdobeRGB etc).

    When the calibration device has completed it then builds a profile for your monitor, that 'corrects' the monitor, so that the known shade of red, is displayed at exactly that shade of red to you. This profile is then loaded to your graphics card everytime your PC starts.

    The outcome of this is that if you process a photo on your calibrated monitor, and I view the same photo on my calibrated monitor, then what I see, is exactly what you saw. It sets a 'standard'.

    By using a calibrated monitor, you are not only ensuring your photos are edited as accurately as possible for colour rendition, but also ensuring that your prints come out looking the same. Well as close as they can be. A screen is transmitted light, and a print is reflected light, so they will look slightly different, but you should be able to hold the print up beside the screen and see that they both look similar, no blue casts etc.

    Hope that short tutorial helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktas View Post
    That would have to be the most useless post ever on AP. If you are going to state that sort of rubbish, back it up with reasoning.

    I have a Spyder 3, and I know lots of other people who do as well, the spyder works very well, and the prints I (and others) get after calibrating are a damn good representation of what we see on screen, when you take into consideration the differences between reflected and transmitted light.

    The Spyder 3 has recently rated over all other calibrators in reviews.

    Yes there are different brands of calibrators and all work slightly differently, but in the end it is no different to choosing between Canon or Nikon.
    So it's ok to say something is good without backing it up, but not ok to say something is bad without backing it up?

    So a post is useless and rubbish if it disagrees with your view, but not rubbish if it's congruent with your views?

    My post is admittedly colourful in its language and I should not have chosen a word like plague given it's grim connotations, but I am just expressing the view that the Eye One Display 2 is a better budget option and better value than a Spyder

    I don't understand why I'm attacked again for offering a view on something (just like the camera store thread), and again feel I have to act defensive and justify myself:

    http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/m...tion_tools.htm
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    4.5 stars: http://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-EODIS2-.../dp/B000JLO31M
    3.5 stars: http://www.amazon.com/ColorVision-S3...9418347&sr=1-1
    (Read the actual reviews)

    Some threads from a quick google search:
    http://espanol.istockphoto.com/forum...threadid=84790
    http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/for...d.php?p=941509
    http://www.opensourcephoto.net/forum...howtopic=40061

    Anyway, it's my opinion. Spyder 3 does seem to be restoring some of Spyder's reputation, but Spyder 2's were really, really bad imo, not just my experience but also web reviews. Anyway I don't really want to have to keep justifying my opinions on things, if you disagree, then whatever. We all get different results and have different preferences. I apologise and retract my views in my previous post due to its inflammatory nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by smorter View Post
    <snip>
    Anyway, it's my opinion. Spyder 3 does seem to be restoring some of Spyder's reputation, but Spyder 2's were really, really bad imo, not just my experience but also web reviews. Anyway I don't really want to have to keep justifying my opinions on things, if you disagree, then whatever. We all get different results and have different preferences. I apologise and retract my views in my previous post due to its inflammatory nature
    Spyder 3 is ok? But you said - generically - avoid Spyder altogether.
    I wont debate it now and appreciate you retraction.
    It pays to think through what you post before 'shooting from the hip'.
    Random unsubstantiated generalised opinions tend to get a reaction whereas a well thought through and argued position is appreciated.
    As a good example of someone who has strong opinions, but are very well argued is Tannin (Tony).

    Web reviews are one thing, real life experience is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smorter View Post
    So it's ok to say something is good without backing it up, but not ok to say something is bad without backing it up?

    So a post is useless and rubbish if it disagrees with your view, but not rubbish if it's congruent with your views?
    I was not attacking you, stop taking it all to personal. I was attacking your claim. If you read my reply fully, I justified my statement by saying that the Spyder 3 had rated very highly in recent reviews, if that was not a statement to support my opinion, then I don't know what was.

    Your original comment stated 'avoid Spyders like the plague', to a new member who is starting out in photography. If this thread had been about camera brands and I had said "avoid Canon like the plague", can you imagine the response, and deservedly so. Chill out a bit and think about what you post.

    If you feel you are being attacked, maybe you should move onto another site...easy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smorter View Post
    If you can, avoid Spyders like the plague. A better calibrator is the Xrite Eye One Display 2
    I have just upgraded to the X-rite Eye One...it has made so much difference, now waiting for the profiles for my printer from Imagescience. Also I thought, and have read today in Better Photoshop Techmiques that have just run a big article on Colour Management, that for print your file needs to be Adobe RGB (1998) sRGB is for the Web. Margaret
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    Rick, thank you once again for your tutorial on callibration. I really hadn't heard how it can effect your photo process. It all makes sense. Budget wise the Sypder 3 may be out of my price range at the moment.

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