Win 11

[ameerat42]

If you thought Win 10 - winten - rolled off the tongue fairly well, then start practising on
Win 11

winner leaven... win erleaven...

Where are the die-hard wins-heaveners* now?

This TechRadar article says we'll have to be proficient about Nov-Dec this year.

You might also feel like mouthing: who would have thought...? hooda-thought-it...? ...

*Read as last resort: Win 7-ers

[ameerat42]

Another article from TechRadar, with a first look video.

[landyvlad]

Win 11 - AVOID

[ameerat42]

Ah, so that's it's other name?

If I get an invite from MS to upgrade I think I will
but I'm not going out to look for it. (And I'm certainly not going
to "upgrade" my 2014 computer for it if it's not compatible )

[landyvlad]

Have a look at a few objective videos on youtube and by and large the advice for now is not to upgrade.
The only real advantages are for high-end hardware while there are many disadvantages including more emphasis on 'apps'

[ameerat42]

Yeah, I've been checking out the PC forum on DPR. It's a + and - mix of opinions there.

- - - Updated - - -

Already my trusty lappy went from 8 to 8.1, and then 10 w/o a hitch

[landyvlad]

Speaking of the computer hardware

Since Windows 11 runs a smoother and fancier backgrounds and UI experience, it will require a higher and more expensive GPU than your normal computer or laptop. Unless you are running a powerful computer or get a new computer, you won’t be able to run Windows 11 because of the hardware requirements.

Microsoft's new OS requires a GPU at least compatible with DirectX 12, with a WDDM 2.0 driver.

Microsoft reasons that you need great hardware to have great experiences. As a new, modern OS, Windows 11 also requires relatively new, modern PCs. If your PC's CPU is older than Intel's 7th generation Core or AMD's Zen 2 processors, you're out of luck.

The bigger problem, though, seems to be TPM 2.0 compatibility.
Although you may find TPM modules in most laptops and many prebuilt PCs, they're non-existent in most DIY PCs. And no TPM 2.0 support means no Windows 11.

More here on whether you have one or need to buy one
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wh...for-windows-11

The system requirements for Windows 11 are:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wind...ifications?r=1


Of course if you a bit technically minded there are ways around that.
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/...pm-requirement

IF you upgrade to Win 11 you have UP TO 10 days to roll back to Winnows 10, whiteout loss of files/data.
After that time you'll need to have everything backed up and do a fresh instal from scratch,


Its worth noting that Windows 10 will be supported until at least 2025 so there's no rush.

[ameerat42]

Very interesting, Lands. My lappy does not show that I have TPM 2.0 from
security settings, but I really need to check UEFI. - ANd then, is my CPU a
compatible one...

[landyvlad]

is my CPU a compatible one...

If you are running Windows 10 64 bit then it will be

[ameerat42]

Hmm, well 64/10 is the case...

[landyvlad]

@ameerat42 What make and model is your computer ?

[ameerat42]

Hmm, since then all indicators have been that it's not compatible.
However, it's an Asus UX51VZA.

[GrumpyD369]

I upgraded my laptop from Windows 10 to 11 not long ago, I'm still debating if I like it or not.

[Tannin]

Known advantages of Win 11: none
Known disadvantages of Win 11: numerous.
Bit of a no-brainer really.

[tandeejay]

If you are running Windows 10 64 bit then it will be

Nope. I was forced to upgrade my computer 1 year after installing win10 because the 1st major update of win10 changed the way the NFORCE chipset on my motherboard was used... I had had motherboard RAID 1... and the chipset required an Nvidia driver to recognise the raid set correctly... Win10 update forced the chipset to use a Microsoft driver, which could not correctly recognise the raid set, so I upgaded... now I find that what I upgraded to is not on the "supported" CPU list. It is possible to bypass that CPU check, BUT.. then there is the TPM 2 issue... motherboard does not have a TPM module.... but it does have a socket for a TPM module... found a TPM module that claims to be compatible with my motherboard... wasn't too expensive... but I find I can't get windows to accept it because it doesn't have any certificates installed... given time I should be able to figure it out.... but annoyed my 8 core AMD with 32gb ram will likely need to be replaced just to get win11

[ameerat42]

Here are three (of many) articles about TPM (Trusted Platform Module). Two are from
MS and one is from PCMag.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...odule-overview

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...5-4feeb24fa1ee

https://au.pcmag.com/components/8787...for-windows-11

I will not bother examining the implications of the system here, but it does smack a bit of
what's yours is also mine

I checked and found mine does not have it, by using the command:
tpm.msc

It's a very thin laptop, and I have not seen any space inside where I could fit a hardware
module

[tandeejay]

I would imagine a laptop's tight space would mean anything like a TPM module would need to be soldered onto the motherboard....

[landyvlad]

@ameerat42



Win 11 Requirements
Processor1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC).
RAM4 gigabyte (GB).
Storage64 GB or larger storage device Note: See below under “More information on storage space to keep Windows 11 up-to-date” for more details.
System firmwareUEFI, Secure Boot capable. Check here for information on how your PC might be able to meet this requirement.
TPMTrusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. Check here for instructions on how your PC might be enabled to meet this requirement.
Graphics cardCompatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver.
DisplayHigh definition (720p) display that is greater than 9” diagonally, 8 bits per colour channel.
Internet connection and Microsoft accountWindows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft account. Switching a device out of Windows 11 Home in S mode also requires internet connectivity. Learn more about S mode here. For all Windows 11 editions, internet access is required to perform updates and to download and take advantage of some features. A Microsoft account is required for some features.



Asus UX51VZ (UX Series)
CPU Intel Core i7-3612QM 4 x 2.1 - 3.1 GHz (Intel Core i7) Win 11 Compatible? YES
Graphics adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M - 2048 MB, Core: 835 MHz, Win 11 Compatible? Possibly*
Memory: 1000 MHz, GDDR5-VRAM, ForceWare 306.97, Optimus Memory 8192 MB DDR3-1600, Win 11 Compatible? YES
Mainboard: Intel HM77 (Panther Point) Win 11 Compatible? NO (no TPM 2)
Storage 2x ADATA XM11 256 GByte, 512 GB Total capacity. Win 11 Compatible? YES


* The GeForce GT 650M was a mobile graphics chip by NVIDIA, launched on March 22nd, 2012. Built on the 28 nm process, and based on the GK107 graphics processor, in its N13P-GT-A2 variant, the chip supports DirectX 12. Even though it supports DirectX 12, the feature level is only 11_0, which can be problematic with newer DirectX 12 titles.


Conclusion = not compatible and won't be.

But as stated there is NO need to upgrade. Win 10 will be fully supported til 2025, and will still work after that date (albeit without security updates).




It's important to note that Windows 11 has been designed from the outset to serve advertising to users. This was accidentally turned on in alpha testing and when caught Microsoft said it "had no intentions" of placing ads on the operating system. But couldn't (wouldn't) explain why the technology to do so was integrated with the operating system. So the are lying.

Known advantages of Win 11: none
Known disadvantages of Win 11: numerous.
Bit of a no-brainer really.

This.

[ameerat42]

Ta, Tands. That's a good bit of research.

I'm not worried about not having Win 11, just about the eventual day when Win 10 will
become unsupported and make the laptop useless for serious webbery