Climate Change Rally - Melbourne

[bobt]

How can you possibly refute any source or conclusion without any knowledge of them? Short answer: it is impossible, and makes your 'argument' look even more ridiculous, as you automatically assume that all contrary sources and information are flawed or wrong. That looks like religious belief to me, not science.

Firstly, I do not refute all alternative viewpoints as clearly I haven't seen them all. In life we accept countless propositions without forensically examining each and every alternative opinion. For example, I accept that Donald trump is an idiot simply because the overwhelming evidence suggests that the man is a dead set loony! Clearly a significant number of people disagree, but I remain satisfied that, on balance, my conclusions are adequately supported by the evidence I have seen.

In terms of climate change, there are of course those who dispute its origins - you are perhaps one such example. However, given that huge numbers of respected organisations have concluded that climate change deniers are wrong, I see no reason to accept alternative viewpoints unless they are supported by sufficient numbers of facts to outweigh the current consensus. Clearly the numbers are on my side of this argument.

[John King]

The very language that both you and those 'respected organizations' use routinely to discredit any alternative views shouts loud and clear the absolutist and extremist attitudes that have nothing to do with the scientific method, or science as I studied them. In and of itself, that language demonstrates how poor the actual evidence is ...

Yet another bunch of religious fanatics spawned by an ignorant species (self included). At least I will admit to not being omniscient, whereas the ignorant have always claimed that they were. Res ipsa loquitur - the thing speaks for itself.

http://www.xenodochy.org/ex/quotes/knowsnot.html

[ameerat42]

^ and ^ - I'll look at it as a robust philosophical disagreement instead of prelude to armed conflict

[bobt]

Hmmmmm......

“It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

“In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction.”
― John Stuart Mill

"Most minds are like concrete . . . all mixed up and permanently set!"
_ Alfred E Newman

"It is better to have tried to improve our planet, than to have just sat around criticising those who do."
_ BobT.

[ameerat42]

Well, this thread has opened a can of words...
- to go with entrees of excuses
- servings of beefs
- sides of sprayings
- lashings of lambastings (it's like gravy)
- a variety of house whines
- and just desserts.

But the point reached is still not far from the top of the thread.

Anything else on the menu?

[Bear Dale]

I've been despairing for years .....

What a sad way to live life.

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- servings of beefs

Bovine bowel gas, all that methane !!!!!!!

[ameerat42]

^ Yes, we blithely blame other species for the very faults we have ourselves.
(Take "feral" animals wrecking the ecosystem, where we only devastate it!)
From there it's a short step to blaming other people for showing up our own faults...
...
etc., etc...

[bobt]

Well, this thread has opened a can of words...

But the point reached is still not far from the top of the thread.

Anything else on the menu?

I think you're right .... nothing new on the menu for some pages! Time for a new restaurant me thinks.

[John King]

Just a simple question to junqbox, if I may? (Posts now sanitized ... ).

How, exactly, do you propose to transport the seaweed thousands of kilometres inland? After all, it will amount to many thousands of tonnes per day ... somewhere between 100,000 and 250,000 tonnes per day!

[ameerat42]

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