Errm, reports out of Tokyo is it’ll be in the vicinity of $6kUSD. It’s also MF only so it’l be a highly specialised lens that few will get to enjoy.
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Errm, reports out of Tokyo is it’ll be in the vicinity of $6kUSD. It’s also MF only so it’l be a highly specialised lens that few will get to enjoy.
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I'm usually generous with my over estimation of Nikon prices.Originally Posted by swifty
US $6K!
.. err, I'll have two please.
Nikon D800E, D300, D70s
{Nikon}; -> 50/1.2 : 500/8 : 105/2.8VR Micro : 180/2.8 ais : 105mm f/1.8 ais : 24mm/2 ais
{Sigma}; ->10-20/4-5.6 : 50/1.4 : 12-24/4.5-5.6II : 150-600mm|S
{Tamron}; -> 17-50/2.8 : 28-75/2.8 : 70-200/2.8 : 300/2.8 SP MF : 24-70/2.8VC
{Yongnuo}; -> YN35/2N : YN50/1.8N
The one card slot seems to have all the pundits in a lather.
[QUOTE]If you look at the release schedule, the Z 24-70/2.8 S and Z 70-200/f2.8 S are coming next year and the current models are named Z6 and Z7. To me that says Z8 and Z9 are just around the corner perhaps coinciding with the D6 launch.
The Z6 and Z7 still feel a bit rushed to launch IMO and has many elements ported over from DSLRs. I feel these are transition products whereas a hypothetical Z8 and Z9 will be the start of the professional system for Nikon Z.[/QUOTE]
I would have guessed that the Z6 and Z7 were the pro cameras (for now), and that the consumer Z3 and Z5 were just around the corner.
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These have been announced as the pinnacle of the new S-line. Nikon, being an optics company and all most likely want to send a statement to companies like Zeiss and their Otus line. This is Nikon's Otus at f/0.95 and priced that way. At least it's still cheaper than the red dotI'm usually generous with my over estimation of Nikon prices.
US $6K!
.. err, I'll have two please.
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[QUOTE=jim;1461068]Could be. But I don't see it that way from the way the roadmap's been released. All S-line and no consumer lenses. Remember even the f/1.8 primes are not consumer lenses looking at their touted performance from theoretical MTF graphs.If you look at the release schedule, the Z 24-70/2.8 S and Z 70-200/f2.8 S are coming next year and the current models are named Z6 and Z7. To me that says Z8 and Z9 are just around the corner perhaps coinciding with the D6 launch.
The Z6 and Z7 still feel a bit rushed to launch IMO and has many elements ported over from DSLRs. I feel these are transition products whereas a hypothetical Z8 and Z9 will be the start of the professional system for Nikon Z.[/QUOTE]
I would have guessed that the Z6 and Z7 were the pro cameras (for now), and that the consumer Z3 and Z5 were just around the corner.
Personally I don't see the Z6 and Z7 as pro cameras at all, at least from a events professional's POV. My personal views are that these are mid and high end enthusiast models.
I think Nikon's biggest mistake thus far with the launch is not managing expectations and not clearly articulating who these models are targeted at and what they plan to release for other usages.
Well, there's at least one interview so far that has confirmed higher end Z cameras are coming.
Good article over at Imaging resources:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/new...ew-deep-dive-q
Seems like the AF should be very good.
I have a Z7 and 24-70 on order.
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Thom Hogan did an interesting piece on this. Though most wedding togs will still want two slots I imagine. The rest of us.... probably not so much.
https://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews...ure-issue.html
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Actually, in this particular generation, sounds like the current gen DSLR will have the 'better' focus system overall. Obviously other than the advantages that the Z's eill have in terms of AF point coverage and number of points.
But the way the engineers were describing AF, it seems that the DLSRs have a small advantage overall.
Probably the most interesting part of the IR interview was that the Nikon guys claimed that the mighty sounding 58/0.95 Noct's large aperture is just the starting point of what they want to accomplish(in terms of large aperture lenses.
So, a 50/0.8 within the realm of a possibility too. Whether it would be manual focus or AF is the next guess.
As marketing propaganda, this is the kind of 'out there' engineering that helps to push products.
I notice the award winning photographer Marsel van Oosten has been using the Z7 on Flickr, some of his photos are in this group if interested,
https://www.flickr.com/groups/nikonz/pool/
cheers Nick
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Looking at the Z6 + FTZ + 24-70 myself but will likely wait til next year.
Although they've got better ... probably a wise move considering Nikon's recent history
I'm just hoping that some stores will have a demo on the shelf to try one out before I commit myself.
I've recently been told of a nice little grip extension/QR mount plate that will solve the very likely grip issue I'll have.
Then it'll be a matter to be sure the EVF isn't as annoying as I'm expecting it to be. I could live with a slight annoyance, but not what I've found so far in the EVF cameras I've tried to date.
** which by the way doesn't include the A7RIII. The last Sony I had tried was the A7II, which has 60Hz refresh rate. Didn't realise that the A7RIII has a 120Hz refresh mode. I thought that was only on the A9.
That could be a factor.
Owning a nice Nikon lens collection this is the FF mirror-less camera I have been waiting for as it seemed a logical progression for Nikon.
Having said that there are sure to be a few problems initially crop up in software etc so am happy to let more more knowledgeable guys sort out any teething problems that could occur.
It would seem that using M4/3rds for macro photography and the Nikon mirror-less system for landscape photography could be a really appealing setup for many photographers.
Nikon's affordable classic landscape prime lenses should become even more popular now.
Nikon seems to have pulled the rabbit out of the hat with their new camera system with many predicting their demise a year ago, kudos.
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I have decided to get the Z7 and 24-70 as an *adjunct* to my D850. This way I can have the best of both worlds and ease myself into the Nikon mirrorless system. The D850 for all my fast moving subjects like birds, sports, wildlife and general photography etc. The Z7 for travel and also general photography like landscapes, cityscapes, portraiture etc. As a travel cam, the amount of weight saved means an extra lens or a larger lens than I would normally take. One thing that swayed me was the fact that the F mount lenses seem to work very well on this new camera and thus little to no loss of functionality, according to all those that have used it. The new Z mount opens up huge potential for better optics, especially sharpness and sharpness across the frame but also less aberrations as well. I think the new mount benefit is being lost a little in all the other hype. This is exciting times for Nikonians!
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Actually my reasoning is more because I've already got the 28 f/1.4E penciled in as this year's buy.Although they've got better ... probably a wise move considering Nikon's recent history
I'm just hoping that some stores will have a demo on the shelf to try one out before I commit myself.
If it doesn't happen then maybe the Z6 kit might come first.
But I'm hoping I can fit in a trip to Japan later this year, where I'm planning to buy the 28E as well as getting to play with the Z's in the Tokyo Electronic superstores
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Me too, as in the Z-kit will be largely for travel as an adjunct to my DSLR system. It won't replace my DSLR which be replaced by another DSLR when my current one dies.
my two reasons for the Z camera are landscape and macro.
landscapes, because that's primarily what I do, and macro because I've found that bigger is usually better.
The only issue is that bigger is also harder, harder to maintain sharpness when magnification increases.
e-shutter(which I can get on the D850 anyhow) helps, and mirrorless just makes it less of a muck around in using Liveview mode on a DSLR.
Arthur I agree it should be interesting to see re the macro bit particularly using the 58mm Primoplan lens in particular, as you say the viewfinder will be critical here,
cheers Nick
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Speaking of macro, I think the new stepping motors (not necessarily a mirrorless thing although as far as I know all mirrorless lenses uses variations of these type of motors) will be great for automated stacking style of macros if that’s what you’re into.
Curiously there are no macros on the Z roadmap but the next rumoured lenses for F mount are macros. If it turns out to be true, I wonder whether these F-mount macros will be AF-P lenses (stepping motor).
Hope so.
The one area that they've really neglected has been the macro lens area, at least for Fx format.
I've never been a fan of the 105VR, although it works awesome as a portrait lens. Far too much fringing for a macro lens.
And the 200/4 is old ... older than Moses!
Really weird to not have seen an update to that lens for however many years it's been.
Will see it at the Fotokina fair in Cologne, 100km from my home. September 26-29
Btw, I've my own ideas : If it has to be compact and mirrorless, why not the already succesful brands; Fujifilm, Sony
The 200/4 might be old but I'd like to see how they could improve it. It's damn near perfect.
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