Nikon : D850 : teaser : 8K timelapse?

[ricktas]

Nikon have posted a teaser about the upcoming D850

[Cage]

Other than confirming the model name they haven't given much away.

[swifty]

Other than confirming the model name they haven't given much away.

I think that might be the point.
Trickle release of info. Might see a series of teasers leading up to the announcement.
But 8k time lapse would indicate at least 8000 pixels (can't remember the exact number for the 8k standard but thereabouts) on the long side.
So for 3:2 ratio, you'd get at least 8000x5300 or ~42mp. So a resolution north of 42mp can be expected.

[glennb]

I'm looking at upgrading my D610 but waiting on 3 cameras to come out and one of them is a Sony, the replacement of the A7II which is coming out in September I think. The other is the D850 and a Nikon full frame mirrorless camera which I'm hoping has similar specs to Sony A7II replacement. Ive invested a lot into Nikon, But I am keen to lighten the weight of my photography gear and really hoping Nikon can provide a full frame mirrorless option with similar specs as the D850. But if neither mirrorless camera has the specs I want I just hope the D850 isn't the weight and size of a Brick.

[swifty]

First 2 product shots just leaked on Nikon Rumors with site owner Peter saying updated specs/info to follow.

[Cage]

Peta Pixel have some more pics and specs .... https://petapixel.com/2017/07/26/nik...cklit-buttons/

The Nikon D850 will apparently have a tilt-screen, illuminated buttons, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, a joystick, a relocated ISO button, no AEL button, and a redesigned physical interface.

Nikon's latest Cash Back is only offering $!50 on the D810 but $200 on the D750 and D610.

[swifty]

Actually the same pics from Nikonrumors but they did a break down of some info that can be inferred from the photos.

The curiosity is a new 'thing' on the camera's prism (left side looking from the front). People are speculating it's a EVF/OVF switch for a hybrid finder but I doubt it personally.
But I think it might be a new port for shoe mount accessories including poss an external EVF. And if so, poss expect better LV AF and other features.

[arthurking83]

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But 8k time lapse would indicate at least 8000 pixels (can't remember the exact number for the 8k standard but thereabouts) on the long side.
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8K is exactly double the 4K resolution values in each dimension .. which quadruples the overall pixel count.

4K = 3840 x 2160(which again doubles the HD values in each direction .. 1920x1080, which is familiar now to many of us desktop users
8K = 7680 x 4320 = 33Mp

considering the D800/810 both use 7360x4912 3:2 aspect ratio, then the 8K timelapse format is most likely to be a crop mode to maintain 8K format compatibility

If they maintain the pixel density at 7680 on horizontal plane and keep to the 3:2 aspect ratio for still capture, then the horizontal pixel values must be at 5125 .. ie. 7680x5125 maintains the 3:2 aspect ratio for full frame capture.
That equates to only 39Mp.

if they use the cinema 8K format(most likely) .. then it'll be 8196 pixels wide(ie. 2 x 4096).
to maintain the 3:2 aspect ratio in this scenario, then they'll need 5469 pixels on the horizontal plane .. and 8196x5470 = 44Mp

I guess it depends on how they implement the 8K timelapse feature whether it's a true implementation which saves PP work(in terms of resizing to suit the true format), or if the camera is set to crop to that frame aspect ratio or whatever.

either way tho, if they stick to a pixel value of only 44Mp, it's still hands Canon a marketing advantage with their 50Mp 5Ds/r model lineup .. and also the medium format models.

I'm thinking that the loss of the built in flash won't be a problem .. BUT!! .. only if they've updated the prism to make the viewfinder a lot better than the D800/810 (ie. like in the D500).
A bigger brighter prism would offer me a reason to update my D800.

Curious as to what that switch on the side of the prism housing is too.
I'm not particularly fussed if it's a hybrid EVF/OVF switch(unlikely, but not impossible)
What would be nice to see/have is the ability to quickly and easily change focus screen/finder in some way .. a release tab for something like that .. again unlikely that they'd do that in a D8xx series and not the D5 type camera first.

Waiting to see what features and spec upgrades this thing will bring.

[Cage]

@ Uncle Arthur

A bigger brighter prism would offer me a reason to update my D800.

Is your D800E backward morphing ?

I also had a play with the numbers and came up with a 39.3Mp sensor. I'm guessing that it will have something like a 42Mp sensor. I'm also trying to get my head around the idea that more megapixies does not necessarily mean more detail. Less, but bigger pixels, will capture more photons, and maybe almost as much detail as a sensor with a higher pixel count. I haven't been able to find any definitive testing of this theory.

Perhaps in a controlled environment like a studio, the higher pixel count should give more detail.

I guess it comes down to your proposed usage. If I was shooting in that light controlled environment I'd go for the big pixel count, but for everyday usage I'm leaning toward the bigger pixel size.

[arthurking83]

.... I'm also trying to get my head around the idea that more megapixies does not necessarily mean more detail. Less, but bigger pixels, will capture more photons, and maybe almost as much detail as a sensor with a higher pixel count. I haven't been able to find any definitive testing of this theory.

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If anything can be proven is that as the onward march of technology continues, it usually 'improves the breed'. Maybe not in every single occurrence of that generalisation but Sony has recently proved it to be an easy goal to achieve in terms of their sensors.
That 39-42 Mp sensor proposition is darned close to the current 42Mp sensor used in the A7IIr .. so it's kind'a making sense all round.
A very good sensor, and better than the now very old 36Mp sensor in the D8xxx's.

[swifty]

Oops. Bad number rounding on my part. But the only thing we can really deduce is the pixel count will be greater than ~39mp. NR seem pretty confident in the 45-46mp number.

[Cage]

I'm actually more interested in the next iteration of the D750.

[Dan05]

Is this going to make the D800 cheaper??


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[Cage]

More rumoured specs leaked on the D850, courtesy of PetaPixel

https://petapixel.com/2017/08/11/nik...pecs-features/

45.75MP FX full frame CMOS sensor
180,000 RGB sensor that’s same as the D5, with better face detection and enhanced scene recognition
Native ISO range of 64-25600 (expandable to 32-108400)
153-point AF system with 30% more frame coverage than the D5
Center AF point -4EV, and all others -3EV
8K timelapse shooting
4K UHD video recording in FX with no crop
51-photo buffer when shooting in 14-bit RAW
3.2″, 2.36-million-dot tilting LCD touchscreen with improved gesture control
7fps continuous shooting standard, 6fps with autofocus, 9fps when using a battery grip
30ps at 8MP using the electronic shutter
RAW can be small, medium, and large resolutions
0.75x magnification viewfinder, the first for a full-frame DSLR
Focus stacking. Camera can shoot up to 300 photos with 10 levels of bracketed focus from nearest to infinity for software to stack afterward.
Natural Light AWB achieves better white balancing in natural light
Completely silent electronic shutter while shooting in live view.
There’s no low-pass filter
Dual SD + XQD card slots

Whatever form it's released in I, wonder if Nikon will get it right, straight out of the box

[arthurking83]

Further to that info, and a couple of images of a D850 next to a Df, there is a rumour that it may be announced tonight or tomorrow too.

[MissionMan]

Specs leaked in a Nikon slide deck. Nikon fans will be impressed

https://petapixel.com/2017/08/11/nik...pecs-features/

[Cage]

Interestingly in the translated Chinese video was a mention of enhanced rendering of reds in sunset/sunrise shots.

I mentioned in a recent sunrise post how I felt that the IR cut filter murders the reds, and of course I'm wondering how it will benefit the capture of H-Alpha in astro shooting.

PS: Maybe Nikon is using the filter from the D810A, but whether or not, it will probably sound the death knell for the D810A, which in all honesty most people weren't even aware of it's overpriced existence.

[arthurking83]

Interestingly in the translated Chinese video was a mention of enhanced rendering of reds in sunset/sunrise shots.

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All that will mean is that in one of the landscapey/vividy Picture Control modes, the reds will be more red than before.
Should be noted that in all likely hood, us gear geeks buy once every now and then and don't care for such trivial matters.
But the majority of affluent tourist types buy because it does:
1/ 40+ billion Mp
2/ Nikon (brand recognition) name
3/ high price tag .. must be seen to have expensive gear
4/ pandering to fickle sensitivities, and folks looking for a quick rush of endorphins with their over saturated and highly contrasted selfie shots!



I'd say it's highly unlikely to very improbable that they'd tinker too much with the filtration on a std consumer camera.

D810a was a specialised piece of kit for a specialised field.
That camera was specifically made to capture the H-Alpha IR spectrum, and it's ISO circuitry was tweaked to also assist in rendering that very faint imaging prospect from places far far away.
And I'm sure I remember a post(seen third hand) about a chap that had purchased a D810a and complained about it's very red rendering of images!

For me, I'm interested in how the larger vf magnification pans out in the real world in terms of usage and focusability and the e-shutter system(plus focus stacking mode)

[swifty]

A little over a day away from announcement it seems.
Press release statement and photos as well a few samples have all been leaked on Nikon rumours.
There's probably nothing left to reveal tomorrow. Except the price. Brace yourselves.

[MissionMan]

Pricing has been confirmed in the rumours as US$3600 so a direct conversion would be $5000 (convert USD to AUD and add 10% for GST). Realistically, this number would be higher because we get screwed in little old Australia so my guess is that it will be somewhere between $5000-$6000.