Has Windows 10 re-intrroduced Crash Tuesday ??

[Cage]

Those of you who ran Vista, a misnomer if ever there was one, will remember Crash Tuesdays, the day MS picked to download patches.

You'd download the patches in good faith, and then spend weeks getting your system back into some semblance of order.

Today MS updated (?) my W10 O/S and it required a re-start. Upon restarting, instead of my usual desktop, I was presented with a log-on screen for Outlook, with my email address already entered. Huh ???

The only way I could get off that screen was to enter my Outlook password and then my normal desktop appeared. Now one would assume that one would already be logged into Outlook. Not so !

Seems like another pathetic attempt by MS to take complete control of your computer.

I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.

[ricktas]

My Win 10 machines have done this for ages now. I just login and continue on my way. No different to having a password set (which I always have had).

[ameerat42]

Have you set up a user account to log in to Windows (Kev)?
It sounds like Win used your Outlook account - an MS acct - to do this,
perHAps because you said to use an acct somewhere along the line...

Hmm! Conspiracy theories! Don't you recognise this as the TYPical Linux/Ubuntu PLOY
to get you over to them

[arthurking83]

Ditto what Rick says.
I've been logging in via my hotmail account from about day zero.

[ameerat42]

PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.

[arthurking83]

PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.

Go to user accounts and there's a very easy to find setting to switch back to local account for login somewhere near the bottom of the main user page.

Like I said, I don't mind it and have been using the online login method since day 1 .. makes no real difference in actual usage.

[merlin1]

Have not had a problem with W10, all updates are automatic. I don't even know what the on line login is.

Ross.

[ameerat42]

There isn't one until you make one up.

[tduell]

I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.

If you need any encouragement I'll be more than pleased to help.
I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and install your preferred Linux distro on that, then you can get a feel for it, as well as running the two concurrently and simply dragging and dropping files from one to the other.
One thing to think about though is that some of your favourite Windows applications may not be available in Linux, although there will be a good alternative/lookalike.

Go for it

Cheers,
Terry

[Cage]

I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.

Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.

The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.

Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....

"Big Brother IS watching you !!

[ameerat42]

I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.

Hmm! It CAN'T be the one you bought yesterday

Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.

See above. I got that update about 6 updates ago. Soon changed it back.

The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.

Since then [re point above] no other basic change to login.

Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....

"Big Brother IS watching you !!

Hw can you sleep at night?

[Stingray]

yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..

[ameerat42]

yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..

This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)

You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them

[Stingray]

This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)

You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them

Yeah .. when W10 1st came out I never saw it either ..

[Cage]

I'm obviously 'Old School' and think that a request to make changes, with an explanation of their benefits, would be at least a little respectful to the user who has PAID to use their product.

Instead, MS make a high-handed announcement that "We have made some changes", with the unstated "and if you don't like them, tough, or waste some time trying to find out how to reverse them".

And yes, this is happening on my desktop which I upgraded (?) to W10 pretty soon after it was available. I guess I still have it to look forward to on my new laptop.

PS: My overview of the W10 desktop is that it's main design brief was to make you aware of all the paid Apps that you didn't realise that you couldn't live without.

[ameerat42]

They have implicitly done that - in their T & Cs.

[Cage]

They have implicitly done that - in their T & Cs.

Aha, the old 'fine print' comeback.

I'll take your word for it and won't bother looking for it.


And I'm seriously impressed that you have read the T&C's Am.

[John King]

Kev, all our computers are staying at XP Pro and Win7 Pro until the end. I hope that either MS come to their senses (flaming unlikely ... ) or that someone develops a robust and standard OS that works. Vista was a real dog. Win8 was a real dog. It appears that Win10 is really quite bad for some (many?) people ... A friend accidentally "updated" his laptop to Win10, and it obligingly destroyed all access to his commercial web site data ... Fortunately he rang me, and I was able to talk him through the "downgrading" process successfully. Could have been really ugly, with about 6 months work down the tube.

WinNT used to be that robust, standardised OS, but MS kept "updating" it so that it is now firmly in Apple territory - a place where very little is compatible from one version to the next!

For just one tiny example, it used to be possible to convert web pages to PDF files very easily. It appears that the new protocols (such as HTML5, etc, etc ... ) have dispensed with that. Must have been a "security loophole" .
Now I have to copy the part of the page I want to my (free) Canon printer software clipboard, then convert the pages to PDF from there. Now I wonder what I have Adobe Acrobat (full version) for ... .

Even colleagues in the computer support industry who are selling later versions of MS Office agree with me that Office Pro 2003 is the last stable version of Office. It can also be supported remotely, something that is very difficult to do with Office 2007/2010/2013. To their credit, MS have reintroduced menus in Office 2013 ... Ever tried talking people through an icon driven user interface? It can be extremely difficult ... .

[ameerat42]

Ewesually do*. You find they're not that long, and much of the wording is the same. They cover a few main areas, and some more or less verbose than others.

*These days, but particularly with MS W 10. -- But don't ask me to recite any ovvit.

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For just one tiny example, it used to be possible to convert web pages to PDF files very easily. It appears that the new protocols (such as HTML5, etc, etc ... ) have dispensed with that. Must have been a "security loophole" .
Now I have to copy the part of the page I want to my (free) Canon printer software clipboard, then convert the pages to PDF from there. Now I wonder what I have Adobe Acrobat (full version) for ... .

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John.
Are you saying that there's no facility for converting web pages to PDF? What about...
this method? (Must admit I prefer Foxit Reader.)
PrintPDF.jpg

[Cage]

@John King

My first build was with ME, AKA 'Many Errors', and after my Amiga I thought it was OK 'cos I could get on the internet. I didn't know any better.

Changed to XP Pro and thought this was what an OS should be. Still do.

Then I went to Vista Home Premium 64bit, mainly to get access to more than 4GB of RAM. I'd call it a dog, but that would be unfair to our canine friends.

Couldn't wait to get W7 Pro 64bit after the horrors of Vista. Quite liked it, and probably should have stayed with it instead of upgrading to Bloatware Central.

With W10 the jury is still out, and possibly will be for a bloody long time, but my gut feeling is that I should have stayed with W7, at least till MS get it sorted.