Has Windows 10 re-intrroduced Crash Tuesday ??

[Cage]

Those of you who ran Vista, a misnomer if ever there was one, will remember Crash Tuesdays, the day MS picked to download patches.

You'd download the patches in good faith, and then spend weeks getting your system back into some semblance of order.

Today MS updated (?) my W10 O/S and it required a re-start. Upon restarting, instead of my usual desktop, I was presented with a log-on screen for Outlook, with my email address already entered. Huh ???

The only way I could get off that screen was to enter my Outlook password and then my normal desktop appeared. Now one would assume that one would already be logged into Outlook. Not so !

Seems like another pathetic attempt by MS to take complete control of your computer.

I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.

[ricktas]

My Win 10 machines have done this for ages now. I just login and continue on my way. No different to having a password set (which I always have had).

[ameerat42]

Have you set up a user account to log in to Windows (Kev)?
It sounds like Win used your Outlook account - an MS acct - to do this,
perHAps because you said to use an acct somewhere along the line...

Hmm! Conspiracy theories! Don't you recognise this as the TYPical Linux/Ubuntu PLOY
to get you over to them

[arthurking83]

Ditto what Rick says.
I've been logging in via my hotmail account from about day zero.

[ameerat42]

PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.

[arthurking83]

PS from above: You can switch this off easily enuff.

Go to user accounts and there's a very easy to find setting to switch back to local account for login somewhere near the bottom of the main user page.

Like I said, I don't mind it and have been using the online login method since day 1 .. makes no real difference in actual usage.

[merlin1]

Have not had a problem with W10, all updates are automatic. I don't even know what the on line login is.

Ross.

[ameerat42]

There isn't one until you make one up.

[tduell]

I'm very close to having a serious look at Ubuntu/Linux.

If you need any encouragement I'll be more than pleased to help.
I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and install your preferred Linux distro on that, then you can get a feel for it, as well as running the two concurrently and simply dragging and dropping files from one to the other.
One thing to think about though is that some of your favourite Windows applications may not be available in Linux, although there will be a good alternative/lookalike.

Go for it

Cheers,
Terry

[Cage]

I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.

Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.

The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.

Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....

"Big Brother IS watching you !!

[ameerat42]

I'm getting old, and probably crotchety, and maybe becoming resistant to change, but I think it is another insidious attempt by MS to gain total control of my computer.

Hmm! It CAN'T be the one you bought yesterday

Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. Now I am offered some eye candy in the form of a new desktop background, click get rid of that, and now have to log on to my Microsoft A/c to access my computer.

See above. I got that update about 6 updates ago. Soon changed it back.

The point is that I didn't change my settings, MS did, and that to me is bordering on invasion of privacy. And yes, I'm aware that heaps of settings are changed every time I install an update.

Since then [re point above] no other basic change to login.

Oh, and how about MS now referring to themselves as 'We' as in "We have made some changes.....

"Big Brother IS watching you !!

Hw can you sleep at night?

[arthurking83]

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Prior to yesterdays update I'd hit the power button and go straight to my desktop. ..... (

Is your user account an Admin account?

if so, that could be why.

People always complain that Windows is prone to viruses and malware and surreptitious software and so forth and suchlike, and that Mac and Linux is so much more secure .. etc, etc, blah blah.

Then M$ deals with such security issues .... that most folks create for themselves anyhow(ie. as in don't password protect Admin rights and log in as an unprotected Admin) and then all you read about is complaints about it!

Linux and Mac is no more secure than Windows as long as the correct rights have been set .. Oh! and that you don't install the malware in the first place.

Me thinks M$ detected that you don't use a password, have set your account to Admin rights and this constitutes is a security issue!
If this is correct then THEY have done the right thing by you.
If you want to enter the desktop without a login prompt then use a regular User account.

If you do in fact login under your account and it's a regular User account .. well then they probably stuffed up!

I just remembered too that I actually set up Win10 to login via my hotmail account, so that's why I've had my email account as my login prompt from day one.

I just can't see what the fuss is about Win10 at the moment.
Win8 yes! .. a bit of a dog on the one and only laptop I had to use once very briefly.
But Win10 is basically Win7 again .. have had no problems in reality with four machines(2 laptops, my tablet and my desktop)
I think the major issue is the change! And that's really it. Many folks probably did an upgrade which is a great recipe for everything to go wrong in terms of devices drivers and conflicts, which are almost 99.9% certain to be a result of a problem with the old OS's setup.

[Cage]

Is your user account an Admin account?

if so, that could be why.


Then M$ deals with such security issues .... that most folks create for themselves anyhow(ie. as in don't password protect Admin rights and log in as an unprotected Admin) and then all you read about is complaints about it!

Me thinks M$ detected that you don't use a password, have set your account to Admin rights and this constitutes is a security issue!
If this is correct then THEY have done the right thing by you.
If you want to enter the desktop without a login prompt then use a regular User account.

All very interesting Arthur, and I may be missing the obvious here, however I live alone, have a Staffy minding the place when I'm not around, so I don't feel the need to have access to my computer protected by a password.

FWIW, I found the changeover to W10 pretty painless.

One other thing that p!sses me off is that Solitaire is now played online, and to access it MS get the chance to offer you some more unwanted apps.

[arthurking83]

All very interesting Arthur, and I may be missing the obvious here, however I live alone, have a Staffy minding the place when I'm not around, so I don't feel the need to have access to my computer protected by a password.

FWIW, I found the changeover to W10 pretty painless.

One other thing that p!sses me off is that Solitaire is now played online, and to access it MS get the chance to offer you some more unwanted apps.

Password protection is not just for physical access to the PC. It also protects the PC from downloaded malware too.
That is, in the 'ye olde days' of Windows where Admin rights were given to everyone by default it was easier for some infected program to simply install itself on the side whilst the user having admin rights without a password, had no idea it was being installed.

If a leet haxor wanted to get into your system, it was actually quite easy to reset the password anyhow.
I had to do this for my sister's Win Vista! PC(the only Vista slug I've ever dealt with .. uughhh!)
Her user account got corrupted and she couldn't log in of course.
At least it made a backup of the user account, all I had to do was reset the user's password status using a haxor program of some kind, and then reset the backed up user account data to her user name and the PC was good to go again.

So whilst passwords aren't the be all and end all in security, M$ does force us to use them more regularly .. same with when you install all software and when you run certain types of software .. note that you may(or should) get a prompt to allow some stuff to run.

Moved on from the last job that allowed me the opp to play Solitare .. can't do that now at my current work! So haven't touched Solitare since just before Win10(about July last year).

[Cage]

Password protection is not just for physical access to the PC. It also protects the PC from downloaded malware too.
That is, in the 'ye olde days' of Windows where Admin rights were given to everyone by default it was easier for some infected program to simply install itself on the side whilst the user having admin rights without a password, had no idea it was being installed.

If a leet haxor wanted to get into your system, it was actually quite easy to reset the password anyhow.

"leet haxor" ??? , gees Arthur, I had to google that.

I'm obviously still missing the point you are making. Other than someone hacking into my system, I can't see how malware is going to be downloaded if I don't click on a suss link, or download a suss program, whether I'm logged in or not, and I'm excessively pedantic about doing either.

[Stingray]

yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..

[ameerat42]

yepp.. they get you when you 1st install/upgrade to W10 .. the default login they prompt and want to you use is your Outlook/Hotmail/Live account ..

This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)

You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them

[Stingray]

This just nevva happened to my 4 upgrades to Win 10. I didn't have one, and (from memory) did not elect/skipped past that option.
(In fact, now that I think about it, I can't even remember seeing it until some updates later. Yes, it got set, but I quickly un-set it.)

You know the old remedy for keeping the MS vampires away? - Hang festoons of Apples around. Or Linux your halls with them

Yeah .. when W10 1st came out I never saw it either ..

[Cage]

I'm obviously 'Old School' and think that a request to make changes, with an explanation of their benefits, would be at least a little respectful to the user who has PAID to use their product.

Instead, MS make a high-handed announcement that "We have made some changes", with the unstated "and if you don't like them, tough, or waste some time trying to find out how to reverse them".

And yes, this is happening on my desktop which I upgraded (?) to W10 pretty soon after it was available. I guess I still have it to look forward to on my new laptop.

PS: My overview of the W10 desktop is that it's main design brief was to make you aware of all the paid Apps that you didn't realise that you couldn't live without.

[ameerat42]

They have implicitly done that - in their T & Cs.