Adobe to abandon Photoshop! CS6 is the last one

[ravenau]

*removed- read site rule 3*

[k8ez]

The issue with older versions of Photoshop is that Adobe stop updating them and thus newer camera's RAW files are not supported in the older version. Try opening a Canon 5D III or a Nikon D800 RAW file with CS2.

I decided to bite the bullet and get CC on subscription , because I have way to much time invested in Photoshop and camera raw. I must say I am impressed with CC and camera raw as a plugin. I'm pretty happy about the price also , I think its way cheaper than previous buying and upgrades paths. Not 'owning' the program will take some getting used to. Apologies to Adobe for getting angry with them. Things are what they are.

[arthurking83]

...... I think its way cheaper than previous buying and upgrades paths. .....

It depends on your point of view.

If you only updated ever 'other' incarnation/update(or even less frequently), then the CC model costs more(and you get less for this extra cost).

The other point is not to rely too much on Adobe's current pricing model. This system is ripe for them to bleed every last penny out of their customers. Lock 'em into a proprietary system and make them pay for it later!

And my understanding of the CS system , where you supposedly bought the software .. you don't really own that either. You only have a license to use it legally on one PC. If you actually owned it, then it's yours to do whatever you wished for .. freely. I don't even think you can on sell your copy of CS to anyone else. The license key is non transferable. Most bought software works in the same way tho.


What I don't really understand is their reasoning for doing this. They claimed that this system had to be implemented due to some financial/accounting reporting for calculating their income for the year, and hence tax liabilities.

Yet they still have many other software available on the old system, such as lightroom and Elements .. software that also requires incremental updates every so often and between end of year reporting schedules.

[Tannin]

my understanding of the CS system , where you supposedly bought the software .. you don't really own that either. You only have a license to use it legally on one PC. If you actually owned it, then it's yours to do whatever you wished for .. freely. I don't even think you can on sell your copy of CS to anyone else. The license key is non transferable. Most bought software works in the same way tho.

You can use CC on two machines, as I recall the licence terms; a desktop and a laptop, I think. I'd have to go back and read the fine print to be sure. Most software you buy is transferrable. You buy a licence, not the actual software, but that licence is transferrable. Giant software corporations try to "fix" this so that you can't sell your own software that you bought with your own money, but the courts slap them down. It has happened in much the same way numerous times in various parts of the world. But with CC, of course, you rent the licence (you can't buy it) so you can't on-sell that rental. Adobe has figured out a way to beat the court system.

What I don't really understand is their reasoning for doing this.

Ahh, now here I can help. Adobe's reasoning was explained right here in this very thread by an earlier poster. He was very clear on the point. Arthur someoneorother, if I remember correctly. Perhaps it would be useful to quote him:

This system is ripe for them to bleed every last penny out of their customers. Lock 'em into a proprietary system and make them pay for it later!

I think that sums it up pretty well.

[k8ez]

The trouble is there is nothing like photoshop especially when you have used it since PS7. Thats a lot of time invested in it . I'm going to take some time out to learn GIMP and see how that goes, but for now its PS. What real choice is there ? None that I can see.

[I @ M]

What real choice is there ? None that I can see.

Plenty of choices out there really when you look. I guess it really depends on whether people can be bothered learning a new program and to me that is the only stumbling block standing in their way to happiness.

[Ezookiel]

I use CS5.5 but only once every couple of months when I finally get time to go out and take some photos. I pay student prices for my software, so paid just under $190 for it. There is no way in hell I can pay $50 a month for it. I wouldn't even commit to $20 a month, and that would still be dearer than what I paid for the package.
Sad thing is, if they dropped the price to something sensible years ago, they'd possibly have solved half the piracy problem. When the package is over a grand, it's sure to get stolen. Make it more like $200 - $300 and a lot more people won't bother taking the risk of stealing a copy. Do you sell a million copies at $1000 or 20 million copies at $250. And the plus side is that those who only upgrade every few versions, might upgrade more often at that price. Looks like they've gone a different way to solve the problem, but not convinced it was a great idea. I guess time will tell.


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[arthurking83]

Thanks for the clear up on the point of software licensing .. I wasn't 100% sure on that point.

.... He was very clear on the point. Arthur someoneorother, if I remember correctly. Perhaps it would be useful to quote him:

.....

I don't trust him, and I think I know him well enough to conclusively say he's not trustable!


On the topic of time invested in having learned the software .. makes perfectly good sense, but once you learn the basics of how to edit images, transferring this understanding to other software is usually easy.
For me, learning software wasn't really a big issue even tho it was the ease of getting to grips with the software that decided it for me. Dependencies and needs were the real factor.
That is, I don't clone out stuff(or clone stuff in), nor do I add skies into my images later via layers and suchlike image amalgamations, and learning PS(back then) was a right ol PITA .. where Nikon's Capture was easy peasy.
For my straightforward needs, it turned out that simple editing was the way to go.

I can understand the need for panorama making or image stacking(either focus or HDR) .. but my belief is that a specialised software for those needs is usually the better option anyhow.

In saying this tho, I don't mind LR, even tho it has some very strange and convoluted quirks that irk me massively(such as a simple save/save as! ) .. but my biggest gripe with Adobe's imaging software is the inability to write to the actual raw file(if wanted/needed).

Choices: Corel's PaintShop is just as effective(from what I've seen of them both), but I've read that there are many professional aspects to Photoshop that just aren't available in PSP.

For all amateur/enthusiast uses .. PSP seems to be a much better proposition that PS Elements is

The solution to the problem(the stealing of the software) looks to have massively failed anyhow .. it wasn't that long ago that their account system was hacked into.
So not only do they have the problem of hacking their software to steal it, they now have the double edged sword of defending against hackers into their entire system.

I can see a major law suit looming if customer data ever gets out into the wild .. hope they have a contingency for this.

I opened up LR for the first time in many months(and since the accounting hacking saga) and got a message from them to revisit or edit my account details.
Now the question is(seeing that the Adobe accounting system has been compromised) was this a legit message from Adobe, or a hacker generated phishing request?

[Tannin]

It was a legit message, Arthur. But, to be sure, simply type adobe.com into your browser and change your password. Do this now. Also VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, if you have used the same password anywhere else, change it there also. Do this IMMEDIATELY.

The Adobe hack - unbelieveably poor security, but this is what we have learned to expect from Adobe - involved the theft of actual passwords. Yes, actual passwords, not password hashes. We are talking Programing 101 level mistakes here. So, if you have used the same password for you Adobe account as any other account anywhere, change it NOW.

[ricktas]

It is also worth noting that the CC version of Photoshop was hacked within about 2 weeks of it's release and people are now happily using it..and not paying for it. So Adobe's change to the CC methodology to stop the software 'theft' has failed. It has probably succeeded in ensuring their income stream is more even, month to month, via the paying users, and thus made their own accounting easier (it is easier to plan to pay your bills/staff etc if your monthly income is known ahead of time)., Whereas the old method meant lots of money when a new version came out, declining slowly each month, till the next release - harder to budget around.