Photography at Events - Know your Rights

[rookie]

So i went to the boundary and shit close ups when the play came to me.

Well the flies wont be in your eyes

[Mark L]

Oh, dear. Thread hijacked.

... So i went to the boundary and shit close ups when the play came to me.

Don't matter what length your lens is, they'll get you for indecent exposure!

[dt86vyss]

If you're referring to Canon gear, those lenses are incompatible with the extenders.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[bushbikie]

So i went to the boundary and shit close ups when the play came to me.

Geezz! I hope those pics didn't turn out crappy!!!

Sorry, mate, but you've just given me the Laugh Of The Week!! Thank you!

[ricktas]

Just a general note here for those reading this thread. Venues etc are NOT public spaces (owned by the people of Australia), like roads, beaches, footpaths are (generally). Once you enter a privately owned/operated 'space' you have to abide by the wishes (terms and conditions) of the owners of the 'space'. So whilst you might get away with shooting under such conditions, be very aware of not just what YOUR rights are perceived to be, but also what the rights of the location owner is as well. Cause you could end up in Court, and do you really want to spend your money fighting something in a legal setting?

[Xenedis]

Just a general note here for those reading this thread. Venues etc are NOT public spaces (owned by the people of Australia), like roads, beaches, footpaths are (generally).

Note that in Sydney, Randwick council requires people to have a permit to photograph on streets and beaches within its jurisdiction.

That's right -- you cannot take photos on 'Bandi' (formally known as Bondi) beach without a permit.

Public places aren't public places.

As long as there's a nasty combination of paranoia and greed, permits, even for non-commercial photography, will be the unpleasant result.

[Kym]

Note that in Sydney, Randwick council requires people to have a permit to photograph on streets and beaches within its jurisdiction.
That's right -- you cannot take photos on 'Bandi' (formally known as Bondi) beach without a permit.
Public places aren't public places.
As long as there's a nasty combination of paranoia and greed, permits, even for non-commercial photography, will be the unpleasant result.

Yikes!
http://www.randwick.nsw.gov.au/Place...phy/index.aspx

So all those smartphone and compact camera 'togs better be prosecuted for not having a permit.

When will this madness end!

[Xenedis]

Yikes!

Indeed. Sydney is the city of one of the world's most famous beaches, yet people aren't allowed to photograph it without going through pointless red tape.

When will this madness end!

Just as soon as paranoia and greed go out of fashion.

[MattNQ]

Where is the line drawn I wonder? Can they really stop you photographing a sunset in a public place - it might be for personal consumption only (some of you ARE addicted to sunsets aren't you?.)
If your family are scoffing fish & chips in the foreground, is that different to a model posing in the same location. How will they tell she is not your sister!
It would be interesting to see how they enforce the rules.

[Xenedis]

It would be interesting to see how they enforce the rules.

My guess:

1. iPhone - turn a blind eye.
2. DSLR - call the cops; it's obviously a pervert terrorist type.

[Sifor]

Just a general note here for those reading this thread. Venues etc are NOT public spaces (owned by the people of Australia), like roads, beaches, footpaths are (generally). Once you enter a privately owned/operated 'space' you have to abide by the wishes (terms and conditions) of the owners of the 'space'. So whilst you might get away with shooting under such conditions, be very aware of not just what YOUR rights are perceived to be, but also what the rights of the location owner is as well. Cause you could end up in Court, and do you really want to spend your money fighting something in a legal setting?

And if I may add to what Rick has said, at these events where you purchase a ticket you do not have a contract with them, it's a mere license to enter the premises... so if you're kicked out of the venue you can't jump up and down screaming breach of contract :P

Highly unlikely you'd end up in court though as the legal costs would far exceed any recoverable amount the aggrieved would be seeking. At worst it'd be arbitration, but even then, it comes down to how much the photo you 'illegally' took is worth to them, probably bugger all in reality. Might not be welcomed at another event run by the occupier though.

For the council regulation of photography, again you'd probably just cop a fine if you contested it with the ranger. I think for hobbyists playing dumb/innocent would get you off with a warning and if you were selling the images captured without a permit that'd be pushing it into fine territory (although proving you didn't have a permit after the image was taken would be a little harder and more involved for the council). Again, unlikely to end up in Court due to the exorbitant fees vis a vis recoverable amount.

I'll be in Sydney next month and will be doing some sunrises along the big beaches.. I'll be dammed if I am going to get a permit, I'll take my chances and let the ranger who is hiding behind the rocks at 3am fine me.

[MattNQ]

A beachfront private property boundary is usually at the high water mark (can't remember if it is the median or highest astronomical tide mark ) Does a council's jurisdiction end at the high water mark as well I wonder??
That question might bamboozle a ranger at 3am

[Wayne]

Note that in Sydney, Randwick council requires people to have a permit to photograph on streets and beaches within its jurisdiction.

That's right -- you cannot take photos on 'Bandi' (formally known as Bondi) beach without a permit.

Public places aren't public places.

As long as there's a nasty combination of paranoia and greed, permits, even for non-commercial photography, will be the unpleasant result.

Not quite true about Bondi, it applies to images intended for commercial purposes. I have personally fought Waverley Council on this front on 2 occasions and the rangers tootled off and did something more constructive. They had no idea how to proceed when they asked me for a permit and I told them I didn't need one.
Enclosed Lands Act is your friend.

[Sifor]

A beachfront private property boundary is usually at the high water mark (can't remember if it is the median or highest astronomical tide mark ) Does a council's jurisdiction end at the high water mark as well I wonder??
That question might bamboozle a ranger at 3am

The tidal boundary is taken to be the average high water mark defined in the s9 Land Act 1994 (Qld). Be mindful of any easements though!