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As an officer, Aus Infantry 04-07'. Read my edited response above. Thank you.
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Been there done that, I was also a grunt back in the 70's and carried a real MG ... M60
A few grams made little difference, in fact I'd usually grab an extra B or C rat pack -yummo!
As for a few grams of camera? meh - wusses !!
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We carry more gear now, and with an MG that jams less too!Been there done that, I was also a grunt back in the 70's and carried a real MG ... M60
A few grams made little difference, in fact I'd usually grab an extra B or C rat pack -yummo!
As for a few grams of camera? meh - wusses !!
As of mid this year, many US Marines are trialing fighting platoons with no designated machine guns, but a few heavy barreled rifles and more magazines, to increase accuracy and cut down on weight and ability to maneuver better during firefights. Im not sure what to make of that yet, only time will tell how effective it is in combat. Anyway, going off topic here.
I can pretty much guarantee that it won't be better than the D800 or D4. It might come near the D800 for DR and high ISO noise, but I still don't think it will be better.
I don't think it is a replacement for the D300 as that is a professional grade APS C camera, this is a consumer/prosumer grade FX camera, a first to my way of thinking. However, it really is a new market segment, the low end consumer FX camera.A D700 ised D600 would have been nice.
I'm still left wondering if this is a replacement for the traditional D300 market segment, or another push by Nikon to create a new market niche/segment?
(actually this wouldn't be a new market segment, as Sony provided that with the A850).
It seems that the 5.5 fps may be a bandwidth limitation of the sensor, as Sony's A99 has a 6fps limit.
Either way, if this is to be considered a replacement for the D300, then it's a slight backward step in terms of performance.
As opposed to the traditional marketing tool of improving performance in one area even if this means stagnation in other areas.
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WOW. All this from the release of a new camera. Anyone would think we on AP are solving the world's problems. IT IS JUST A CAMERA
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We are just ecstatic at the release of a more affordable full frame camera!
Affordable FF = more wedding photographers appearing from nowhere.
Hmmm.. $2100usd. Maybe I was too optimistic for a lower price.
It's a nice product but does very little for me I must say.
I don't really get why Nikon (and most other manufacturers) seem to think smaller must equal consumer.
And why can't wifi be in-built. Sony managed it in a NEX5R/6 sized body.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people can be so negative about everything that comes out.
When I was shooting Pentax people were really generally happy except for the small niggles but as things improved they got more vocal and cynical.
It seems when ever things get better and we have more choices we get grumpier. The stuffs as good as it has ever been but who'd know it.
Anyway, it is not a camera that interests me but for those that want a cheaper option than the D800 then I think this is a great camera.
I feel glad to have off loaded the D700 when i did.
I think there is still a D300s update still coming for a lot of reasons and its probably the "D400".
FPS, high iso, 16mp and importantly APSC for better FOV for sports.
Indeed the D600 is an interesting addition to Nikon line. Its a cheap FF with good basics but doesnt excel too much to corrupt the position of the D800.
Is too much of a good thing good ?
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Wasn't the D300/300s listed at $1999 at release?
$2100 for an Fx camera sounds fairly reasonable, and there's no reason to think that this is not a D300 replacement... just as the D7k wasn't really a D90 replacement.
It's not always about the sensor size, it's about features performance levels, quality and build.
There's no reason to assume that one day Nikon may abandon the Dx format as well, meaning that you may well find a D3500 entry level DSLR, with an Fx format sensor @ 24Mp still for $799.
DSLR's will need to have a major advantage level over these pretender P&S's and mirrorless entries into the arena, that must surely be biting hard into their market share.
(remember that Dx lenses still work quite well on Fx sensor Nikon camera bodies!)
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Not sure if my comments were negative or not but I think we should always be critical of products that are released
But seriously though it is a fantastic camera for its target audience.
All the 'should I go FF?' threads just got their answers. It's opened the FX market right up and will be a great seller for Nikon no doubt.
But the wireless connection thing though. I just think camera companies are dinosaurs when it comes to connectivity.
Re: price. I was just caught up in the rumour hype and the aggressive D800 pricing. But yea $2100 seem fair for FX.
D600 versus D800: Specification highlights
24.3MP Full-frame CMOS sensor (compared to 36.3MP CMOS)
10.5MP DX-format crop mode (compared to 15.3MP)
39-point AF system with 9 cross-type AF points (compared to 51-points, with 15 cross-type)
No AF micro-adjust function (D800 allows micro-adjustment in +/-20-step increments)
Autofocus sensitivity down to -1EV (compared to -2EV)
Maximum 5.5fps continuous shooting in FX mode (compared to 4fps in FX mode)
2,016-pixel RGB TTL exposure metering sensor (compared to 91,000 pixels)
2x SD slots (compared to CF+SD)
No 'Power Aperture' aperture control during movie shooting (offered by D800 using Fn + Preview buttons)
Shutter rated to 150,000 cycles (compared to 200,000 cycles)
Magnesium-alloy top and rear, polycarbonate front-plate (D800 is full mag-alloy except flash housing)
USB 2.0 interface (compared to USB 3.0)
And THAT simply screams CONSUMER market, doesn't it?
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DPR have some sample images up already in their D600 preview.
My suspicions are that it should just pip the D800 in terms of high ISO image quality, and possibly DR ... larger photosites, newer technology sensor and processing stream(ADC).... but we wait and see.
What seems weird is that Nikon are now using what appears to be a specialised sensor for the D800, and not some generic Sony sensor that any other manufacturer is going to have access too.
I doubt that the DPR sample images are truly indicative of the real ability of the D600, as the ISO6400 images seem to be in camera jpg renderings, and I doubt that Adobe have an ACR update for the D600 yet.
The current release/update of ViewNX2 doesn't list the D600 as one of the compatibility issue tweaks, and that version was released at the end of Aug.... so even Nikon's software(available to the public) doesn't yet support D600 files. So until we see the required software updates, we won't know how they compare.
And... shutter speed of 1/4000 (vs 1/8000) and flash sync of 1/200 (vs 1/250).
I think it would be a bad move for Nikon to make the D600 superior to the D800 in terms of low light and DR.. it should fill the gap between the D7000 and the D800.
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Prices seem to be on the net and I was close with my guesstimate.
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Good move.Note to self - must stop mentally buying cameras
More money for lenses that way.
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Since selling my D3 I've been holding trying to work out what to do. D700 would feel like a downgrade to me, D800 is more than I need and the D7000 would feel like a step backwards (not to mention wasting my 24-70 2.8 which is the best lens ive ever onwed). Been waiting for this one and finally can re-join this community. Shooting with a Canon s95 P&S is really starting to annoy me!
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