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    Critique and negative posts

    There have been a few instances recently where discussions and critique have deteriorated into almost 'he said, she said' arguments.

    Please remember that EVERY member is entitled to an opinion and to post a critique of photos, even if that post has negative aspects to it.

    We are all here to learn, from the absolute beginner to the most advanced and skilled photographer. I understand that opinions and views will vary, but when posting, please read over your post before submitted and think about the tone of what you have written down. We want AP to be both a place of learning, but also a place where EACH AND EVERY member can feel they can post a question/photo and learn from the replies.

    So lets keep threads as positive as possible, and not get into attacking other members for their views. Certainly discuss issues and disagree with others, but explain why you disagree.

    I have placed a warning on a couple of threads recently, and I do not like doing that. Lets all enjoy our photography and discussions, with respect for others views.
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    I have also noticed recently people aren't posing EXIF data or requesting specific areas of comment for photos posted in the critique forums.
    So many posts are starting to just post a picture without any information and saying 'what do you think'.

    Isn't it a requirement for posting in the constructive critique forums to Include EXIF and areas critique that is requested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosboi View Post
    I have also noticed recently people aren't posing EXIF data or requesting specific areas of comment for photos posted in the critique forums.
    So many posts are starting to just post a picture without any information and saying 'what do you think'.

    Isn't it a requirement for posting in the constructive critique forums to Include EXIF and areas critique that is requested?
    No, we can't make the presence of EXIF data a requirement because some of the external hosting sites strip it out. We do encourage posters to tell us what their settings were for the shot. The essence of Constructive Critique is that often the poster doesn't know what's an issue until someone makes a comment on an image. That's why there is often no specific request for advice on images.

    Some people can look at an image and instantly "see" whether the lighting, composition, exposure, focus, etc. are right. Some need to have it explained because they don't know what to look for, and some are so close to their own image subject that they can't see in their own images what they can easily see in those of other posters. It's all a part of the learning process.
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    Thanks for the clarification WhoDo. I thought I had seen this as a requirement previously, although I might have been mistake with another site.

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    I would have thought that the act of posting it in the For Critique area would mean that the original author would like it to be critiqued
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    Sorry FallingHorse, as mentioned above I must have mistake AP rules for another forum I use to frequent. In their critique section you needed to point out what you wanted to be critiqued. ie) composition, lighting etc. and not just asked for critique please.
    I'm not fussed what the rules are, just clarifying.
    And now it's good to know its ok to ask for general advice. :-)

    *removed name of other forum. Please the site rules 3-7 and 9*
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaosboi View Post
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    And now it's good to know its ok to ask for general advice. :-)
    I leave ExIF attached, but some don't have the add-ons to be able to see it.(Rick recently posted a simple new one for FF.......http://www.ausphotography.net.au/for...28#post1050528)
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    No problems Chaosboi I guess Whodo probably covered it when he said that some people don't know what to ask or aren't able to identify what area might be need critiquing. I think it would be a short sighted rule to make people point out what area needs critiquing because surely that would mean that they are already able to identify the problems ... but I guess that's why I haunt AP and not other forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktas View Post
    So lets keep threads as positive as possible, and not get into attacking other members for their views. Certainly discuss issues and disagree with others, but explain why you disagree.

    I have placed a warning on a couple of threads recently, and I do not like doing that. Lets all enjoy our photography and discussions, with respect for others views.
    It might be timely to remind posters that we are dealing with a TEXT ONLY medium here. Sure, we have the benefit of emoticons () but when you consider that forum communications have to convey ideas and meaning without tenor, tone, facial expression, gestures and body language it is worth thinking twice before reading any emotions or intent into the text. Those two things in particular often cannot be conveyed by words alone and yet people insist on reading them into forum messages, emails and blog posts to name just a few.

    Rather than affecting a knee-jerk reaction to some perceived slight or ill-intent in a forum post, I hope people here would ask first whether that was the author's intent. All too often the answer is no and the defensive reading of the text has more to do with the reader's state of mind than the posters. I've been involved in Internet forums and bulletin boards for over 30 years and still that message is disregarded in the "heat" of passionate discussions. I suggest that we all take a lesson from the humble carpenter and "measure twice before cutting once". JMHO.
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    I personally don't think I have got a negative critique yet. I have had a few that could have been taken the wrong way. But I never taken offence, simply for the reason WhoDo has posted above.
    How many times have we written something, and have it completely taken out of context because of the lack of expression. Terms like "You old bastard" or "You idiot" without expression could lead to a punch in the nose.
    We also must remember that 99.9% of us are not literary geniuses, and adding expression to a sentence is quite an artform.

    And if you don't wont your images to be critiqued, and only wont positive feedback. Then I suggest facebook.
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    Ok - good clarification.

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