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    Posted a shot in the people forum and I noticed that it has turned up on Brooke's Facebook wall. I will no longer post people shots because whoever passed the photo over to Brooke, said nothing to me and I would have preferred to give her the full resolution. I realise that it's a public forum and there is a risk, hence I will no longer post people stuff.

    I would appreciate whoever did that pm, just so I know who did that please. Sorry mods but is has unnerved me. Brooke said it was ok to show photos.

    mods, could you please delete my thread in formal and posed. Thank you.
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    Thank you mods. I wish to further my people photography and I posted low resolution as I have always learnt much from some great photographers on this forum. I do not blame this forum at all and really appreciate the work mods do, was one of the reason I posted here. I do not post my people stuff on other forums only Facebook occasionally. The shot In question was not posted anywhere else or sent to anyone.

    Off to work, will check in tonight.

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    What happened, Shelley? Did a mod trace who visited the page??? Anything??? Who's Brooke???
    CC, Image editing OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ameerat42 View Post
    What happened, Shelley? Did a mod trace who visited the page??? Anything??? Who's Brooke???
    Someone gave the client my photo of her, albeit it a pretty bad resolution. I will speak with her when I can. I would rather give her the original photos.

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    We are investigating and will be treating this as a copyright theft. As the photos critique forums on AP are not publicly visible (you have to be logged in and an active site member) to view them, if we find out who removed (copied/stole) a copy of Shelley's photos, we will be permanently banning them from AP...unless they contact Shelley and offer her a sufficient apology, that she accepts. So I suggest you make the first move, cause if we discover who you are first, you will be named on AP, in this thread and permanently banned! Copyright theft is not on!

    The only place Shelley posted this photo was on AP, she had not given a copy to the lady who was the model (Brooke).

    Only members of AP who are active can see the Member Photos forums. Non members, Inactive members, and members who have not posted to the site at all - zero posts - do not have access to the photo forums. Try it, log-out and try and access the critique forums. This is in place to ensure members feel safe posting their photos to AP, knowing that their photos can only be seen by other members. Members who are photographers and who we expect to understand copyright and not breach it. Google etc cannot scan/catalogue the member photos forums either, so it cannot have been found via a google search.

    So if it was you, as per Shelley's initial post above, send her a PM, before we find out who you are, otherwise the consequences could be harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelley View Post
    Someone gave the client my photo of her, albeit it a pretty bad resolution. I will speak with her when I can.
    And then that someone (presumably an AP member who had access to the photo) should offer a good explanation as to why they took your photo from AP and ................
    Last edited by Mark L; 16-05-2012 at 9:49pm. Reason: Rick said what my ...........meant

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    very dissapointing to hear this. Hope you get to the bottom of it.

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    That's not good. I thought that the members on here were honest and had integrity.
    Maybe the site should move to not allow any images to be downloaded. And if a member wants someone else to play with their images, a PM will have to suffice.
    There is a few on here that will download an image, have a play in photoshop, and repost it to show the OP what can be done. And some do it without asking first. Which I think is a real No No.
    The site is getting rather large, and getting harder for mods and admin to police. Making the images on here undownloadable would be a better step for security, and members peace of mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffsta View Post
    That's not good. I thought that the members on here were honest and had integrity.
    Maybe the site should move to not allow any images to be downloaded. And if a member wants someone else to play with their images, a PM will have to suffice.
    There is a few on here that will download an image, have a play in photoshop, and repost it to show the OP what can be done. And some do it without asking first. Which I think is a real No No.
    The site is getting rather large, and getting harder for mods and admin to police. Making the images on here undownloadable would be a better step for security, and members peace of mind.
    Geoff. Next to each members post on the site, is their username and amongst that is their photo editing statement. You need to read that before you make comments about people doing it without permission, cause that editing statement is there for that reason alone. If anyone is aware of a member doing edits etc without the permission of the person who owns the photo(s), report it, we will remove the offending photo and talk to that member. We have not had a reported post related to your claims for over 12 months.

    We cannot stop people downloading photos presented on the site, If we disable right-click (file save) for example, you would lose access to things like EXIF data, as you need to be able to right click to get that information.

    People can just do a screen capture and get a copy of the photo or any site content (on any website) anyway, and there is no way to disable the ability to do a screen capture.

    Members can choose between three photo edit statements:

    * Edit ok, please provide details
    * Ask before editing my photos
    * Please don't edit my photos

    And these can be changed via this screen in your settings menu, and it will appear next to every post a member makes on the site.
    Last edited by ricktas; 17-05-2012 at 6:40am.

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    I would really like to know who did this, because they obviously know me and didnt make comment or identify themselves to me. Brooke is getting the photo she just hasn't picked them up from me as she has had her baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelley View Post
    I would really like to know who did this, because they obviously know me and didnt make comment or identify themselves to me. Brooke is getting the photo she just hasn't picked them up from me as she has had her baby.
    This is the saddest part for me, Shelley. It has to be someone who knows you both! It is a breach of trust here at AP to download anyone's photos except for the purpose of illustrating CC and with permission of the original poster. I understand why you are unnerved by it. It is a violation of that trust. I too enjoy people photography, but I don't post hi-res images here or anywhere else. It would be a shame not to share your journey of discovery in the new genre because of one unthinking person. I hope this is resolved for you soon.
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    This whole experience must be awful for you. Though I am sure you might actually be able to pinpoint who this is yourself....I certainly don't know that many people personally on here! I too hope this is resolved by the offending person 'pm'ing you to apologise....it is the only right thing to do, I believe.
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    Well I know birders on here, and I am pretty sure they didn't do it. It could be innocent, just hope whoever did it contacts me. I understand if they didn't realise what they did as this was a paid shoot.

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    Surely Brook will be able to tell you who gave her the picture on FB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallingHorse View Post
    Surely Brook will be able to tell you who gave her the picture on FB?
    I will ask when she comes out of hospital and comes and sees me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelley View Post
    I will ask when she comes out of hospital and comes and sees me.
    And if the person who did it has not contacted Shelley before she does find out who, they will be publicly announced as the member involved and banned permanently from AP. So better to own up now via PM to Shelley, than have us find out via Brooke or elsewhere

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    Whichever way you look at it and for whatever reasons, it was wrong!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktas View Post
    * Edit ok, please provide details
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    * Please don't edit my photos

    And these can be changed via this screen in your settings menu, and it will appear next to every post a member makes on the site.
    1. (Edit ok, please provide details) This is ok. But I still think that a PM to the OP would be more appropriate, prior to reposting.
    2. Shelly's incident is one we know about. How many may have been downloaded without our knowledge. This may not be an isolated incident.

    Don't get me wrong...... I often download an image and have a play in photoshop prior to giving critique. But I hardly ever repost and always delete it straight after.
    This site has over 17,000 members, with only a small percentage of that are active. There are 164 members, and 267 guests viewing this forum as I write this. Can it be effectively policed for image theft by the small handful of admins and mods.?

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    Bummer Shelley

    Hope it gets sorted quick smart, though I know the damage is already done.........
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    I believe AP does a great job and in reality it comes done to integrity and honesty, something I have taught my kids and also shown them by example.

    I don't think AP should change anything as where there is a will there will be a way. I really hope it's just a misunderstanding and can be resolved quickly.

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